The Other Side

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

Whatever "AlpinFox". I'm not wasting any more time on a bigotted idiot like yourself.

[chucK]

I think you're wrong about "considering contradictory evidence". I do agree that he sticks to his decisions, but prefer that to the waffling and political maneuvering that so often drives our leaders' decisions - often to the detriment of everyone.

 

So are we looking now at the "darkness before dawn"? Or do you not even concede that things seem pretty bad at the moment?

[bDubyaH]

Here is a prime example of the shrub's admin trying to push their religious views on me via politics.

 

 

President Bush has announced his plan to select Dr. W. David Hager to

 

head up the Food and drug Administration's (FDA) Reproductive Health

 

Drugs Advisory Committee. The committee has not met for more than two

 

years, during which time its charter lapsed. As a result, the Bush

 

Administration

 

 

 

is tasked with filling all eleven positions with new members.

 

This position does not require Congressional approval. The FDA's

 

Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee makes crucial decisions

 

on matters relating to drugs used in the practice of obstetrics,

 

gynecology and related specialties, including hormone therapy,

 

contraception, treatment

 

for infertility, and medical alternatives to surgical procedures for

 

sterilization and pregnancy termination. Dr. Hager, the author of "As

 

Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now"; The book blends

 

biblical accounts of Christ healing Women with case studies from

 

Hager's

 

practice. His views of reproductive health care are far outside the

 

mainstream for reproductive technology.

 

Dr. Hager is a practicing OB/GYN who describes himself as

 

"pro-life"; and refuses to prescribe

 

contraceptives to unmarried women. In the book Dr. Hager wrote with

 

his wife, entitled "Stress and the Woman's Body," he suggests that

 

women who suffer from premenstrual syndrome should seek help from

 

reading the bible and praying. As an editor and contributing author of

 

"The Reproduction Revolution: A Christian Appraisal of Sexuality

 

Reproductive Technologies and the Family"; Dr. Hager appears to have

 

endorsed the medically inaccurate assertion that the common birth

 

control pill is an abortifacient. We are concerned that Dr. Hager's

 

strong religious beliefs may color his assessment of technologies that

 

are necessary to protect women's lives or to preserve and promote

 

women's health. Hager's track record of using religious beliefs to

 

guide his medical decision-making makes him a dangerous and

 

inappropriate candidate to serve as chair of this committee. Critical

 

drug public policy and research must not be held hostage by

 

anti-abortion politics. Members of this important panel should be

 

appointed on the basis of science and medicine, rather than politics

 

and religion. American women deserve no less.

[dryad]

As a scientist (and as woman) I find that really damn scary.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

So are we looking now at the "darkness before dawn"? Or do you not even concede that things seem pretty bad at the moment?

 

I think the Iraqi occupation is being painted as much worse than it is by all the political opponents of Bush. Every problem is purposely exaggerated, the mission constantly questioned. I think that if Kerry were president, 2/3 of the negative news would evaporate immediately without a single thing actually changing in Iraq.

 

But, do things seem bad in general? That's been the case ever since OBL grabbed our attention.

[sexual_chocolate]

Oh I don't think so kask. Too many right-wingers and Republicans have aired grievances for this to be simply partisan griping. The war is going horribly, as it was BEFORE it even started.

 

As it would be if Kerry were prez, and the media would report it just the same (IMO).

[Squid]

It's time to put aside partisan differences. Let us pray, let us rejoice, let us embrace. Would you all please join me now as I recite Make the Pie Higher!

 

MAKE THE PIE HIGHER

by George W. Bush

 

I think we all agree, the past is over.

This is still a dangerous world.

It's a world of madmen and uncertainty

and potential mental losses.

 

Rarely is the question asked

Is our children learning?

Will the highways of the Internet become more few?

How many hands have I shaked?

 

They misunderestimate me.

I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.

I know that the human being and the fish can coexist.

Families is where our nation finds hope, where our wings take dream.

 

Put food on your family!

Knock down the tollbooth!

Vulcanize society!

Make the pie higher! Make the pie higher!

[sexual_chocolate]

Here is a prime example of the shrub's admin trying to push their religious views on me via politics.

 

 

President Bush has announced his plan to select Dr. W. David Hager to

 

head up the Food and drug Administration's (FDA) Reproductive Health

 

Drugs Advisory Committee. The committee has not met for more than two

 

years, during which time its charter lapsed. As a result, the Bush

 

Administration

 

 

 

is tasked with filling all eleven positions with new members.

 

This position does not require Congressional approval. The FDA's

 

Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee makes crucial decisions

 

on matters relating to drugs used in the practice of obstetrics,

 

gynecology and related specialties, including hormone therapy,

 

contraception, treatment

 

for infertility, and medical alternatives to surgical procedures for

 

sterilization and pregnancy termination. Dr. Hager, the author of "As

 

Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now"; The book blends

 

biblical accounts of Christ healing Women with case studies from

 

Hager's

 

practice. His views of reproductive health care are far outside the

 

mainstream for reproductive technology.

 

Dr. Hager is a practicing OB/GYN who describes himself as

 

"pro-life"; and refuses to prescribe

 

contraceptives to unmarried women. In the book Dr. Hager wrote with

 

his wife, entitled "Stress and the Woman's Body," he suggests that

 

women who suffer from premenstrual syndrome should seek help from

 

reading the bible and praying. As an editor and contributing author of

 

"The Reproduction Revolution: A Christian Appraisal of Sexuality

 

Reproductive Technologies and the Family"; Dr. Hager appears to have

 

endorsed the medically inaccurate assertion that the common birth

 

control pill is an abortifacient. We are concerned that Dr. Hager's

 

strong religious beliefs may color his assessment of technologies that

 

are necessary to protect women's lives or to preserve and promote

 

women's health. Hager's track record of using religious beliefs to

 

guide his medical decision-making makes him a dangerous and

 

inappropriate candidate to serve as chair of this committee. Critical

 

drug public policy and research must not be held hostage by

 

anti-abortion politics. Members of this important panel should be

 

appointed on the basis of science and medicine, rather than politics

 

and religion. American women deserve no less.

 

Thanks for the specifics.

 

I know this is just one example and there are many more, but sometimes if we don't clearly elucidate our objections with specific examples, much fogginess ensues!

[sexual_chocolate]

Squid you are a funny guy and did you write that funny poem yourself cuz if you did then you have the honor of knowing that the Honorable Sexual Chocolate thinks you are even funnier than he did before.

 

Yours Truly,

 

Sexual Chocolate

[Camilo]

. . .author of "As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now"; The book blends

biblical accounts of Christ healing Women with case studies from Hager's practice. His views of reproductive health care are far outside the mainstream for reproductive technology.

 

. . .describes himself as "pro-life"; and refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women.

 

. . .suggests that women who suffer from premenstrual syndrome should seek help from reading the bible and praying.

 

. . .appears to have endorsed the medically inaccurate assertion that the common birth control pill is an abortifacient.

 

. . . Hager's track record of using religious beliefs to guide his medical decision-making makes him a dangerous and inappropriate candidate to serve as chair of this committee.

bDubyaH, that's just the liberal media spin

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Oh I don't think so kask. Too many right-wingers and Republicans have aired grievances for this to be simply partisan griping. The war is going horribly, as it was BEFORE it even started.

 

I don't think any of our wars in the past 70 years has gone "well"; why should this one be any different?

[Alpinfox]

Squid you are a funny guy and did you write that funny poem yourself cuz if you did then you have the honor of knowing that the Honorable Sexual Chocolate thinks you are even funnier than he did before.

 

Yours Truly,

 

Sexual Chocolate

 

"Make the pie higher" is a collection of actual George Bush quotes arranged by Richard Thompson, a Washington Post writer. (I know because I have that poem on my refrigerator)

 

Squid IS a funny guy though.

[Alpinfox]

I don't think any of our wars in the past 70 years has gone "well"; why should this one be any different?

 

You're correct. I don't think wars can "go well". They are horrible things which is why this one shouldn't have been started in the first place.

[Sundog]

Kask baby,it is different. Without moral, military, or strategic reason Dumya started a war on a pathetic, but wiser opponent. He is sending many fine people off to live with God, so maybe he is religious? Bush may have won the election and fooled most of the people, but his false moral image won't fool God. That's the one vote that counts.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Bush may have won the election and fooled most of the people, but his false moral image won't fool God. That's the one vote that counts.

 

<irony>

You must be a religious fanatical nut from a red state!

</irony>

[sexual_chocolate]

Oh I don't think so kask. Too many right-wingers and Republicans have aired grievances for this to be simply partisan griping. The war is going horribly, as it was BEFORE it even started.

 

I don't think any of our wars in the past 70 years has gone "well"; why should this one be any different?

 

I suppose I should have added the second sentence above as a parenthetical addendum, so my meaning would have been more clear.

So, for clarification, my response was aimed at your following quote:

 

I think the Iraqi occupation is being painted as much worse than it is by all the political opponents of Bush.

 

To which I should have replied with the following, sans addendum:

 

Oh I don't think so kask. Too many right-wingers and Republicans have aired grievances for this to be simply partisan griping.

 

Does this clarify?

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Does this clarify?

 

Yes.

[snoboy]

If you don't like that example, then take the people who believe pets are not "owned" by their owners (and even enact laws accordingly), or any other number of nutball, left-wing notions in our society.

 

Obviously never "owned" a cat.

[Jake]

Kask - You are putting forth a valiant effort, but I am afraid you will never talk sense into these people. Fortunately, they are in the minority in the country - and it is pretty obvious why. Most people are more civil and have more sense than many of the posters in this thread. Brick walls are more receptive than the crew here on cc.com. Have a beer and stick to the climbing stories.

[sexual_chocolate]

Kask - You are putting forth a valiant effort, but I am afraid you will never talk sense into these people. Fortunately, they are in the minority in the country - and it is pretty obvious why. Most people are more civil and have more sense than many of the posters in this thread. Brick walls are more receptive than the crew here on cc.com. Have a beer and stick to the climbing stories.

 

I'm glad you've done your part in "talking sense into these people" (the "into" is very telling).

[Jake]

Well thank you, I try. What are you talking about "into," btw?

[sexual_chocolate]

"Talking sense into these people".

 

Not to these people, but hammering more opinions and assumptions about "your side" being correct.

[Jake]

Well, my side is correct. Don't you try to do the same?

[selkirk]

What a minute, is there really only one right answer to every question?

[sexual_chocolate]

Your side is correct regarding....?