neswstar Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 My old Nissan truck needs to much work to justify keeping. I loved the bed to sleep in and the 4wd, tough tires and nice chains. ( okay so maybe some people thought I was dike when my hair was really short - but so what). I now need to replace - but I'm on a budget - can not afford new ( need under $10k). Need good gas milage cause the mountains are too far away. Would also like to sleep in the back and have something that can handle ski season road conditions. Thinking about a Honda CR-V or a RAV4 but have not seen them yet. Any words of advice or suggesions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbb Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 sounds like you need a sooooobaru or a toyota wagon. can sleep in the back (if about 6' or under), better gas than a truck and handle better in snow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I LOVE my 97 VW Passat TDI wagon. Fuel-injected diesel gets me about 40-45 MPG on the highway with all my gear. I am 6'3" and have slept in the back many times. With good tires it handles snow conditions well. Good luck finding one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
specialed Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Get a Subaru Brat. With bucket seats in the back. Now that's pimpin'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alasdair Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 sounds like you need a sooooobaru or a toyota wagon. can sleep in the back (if about 6' or under), better gas than a truck and handle better in snow. If you are looking for good gas milage stay away from 4 wheel drive. I dont have it never have and I just drive a little slower than others, I have never had a problem. If there is that much snow on the roads, you cant fucking climb anything anyway. Definatly stay away from subarus if you want gas milage because they suck gas. YOu might want to look at a jetta TDI wagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrov Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 1990 Chevy astro van with rear limited slip differential and full time four wheel drive. great milage, almost as wide as it is long. Neat cargo rack up top, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Definatly stay away from subarus if you want gas milage because they suck gas. Bullshit I can go 400 kms on a 30 liter tank in a 90 Subaru Legacy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Come on now, Subarus have terrible mileage for the size of the car. Toyota trucks are no sippers either. Diesel is the answer for long road trips. I believe the Passat TDI is being re-released soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 SUBARU HAS REASONABLE MILEAGE The only time the mileage seems bad is if you compare it to a Honda Civic or Tercel or some sort of commuter car. As for "climbing car" - if you want to climb in the Alpine in BC you need a SUV or pickup for the clearance getting over crossditches and waterbars on deactivated logging roads. Other than that get whatever has reliability and mileage. Diesels get OK mileage but at the expense of high particulate etc. emissions. Don't get all "Look at me I'm green" if you have a diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alasdair Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Definatly stay away from subarus if you want gas milage because they suck gas. Bullshit I can go 400 kms on a 30 liter tank in a 90 Subaru Legacy The 1990 legacy 4wd gets a stated milage of 25 mpg. The stated milage is always a conservative estimate. you are claiming 31 mpg. I call bullshit. Assuming that is that you do have the legacy 4wd. Even if you dont, the 2wd version still only gets 28 mpg. So I call bullshit and stick with my claim the subarus get shitty gas milage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alasdair Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 SUBARU HAS REASONABLE MILEAGE The only time the mileage seems bad is if you compare it to a Honda Civic or Tercel or some sort of commuter car. As for "climbing car" - if you want to climb in the Alpine in BC you need a SUV or pickup for the clearance getting over crossditches and waterbars on deactivated logging roads. Other than that get whatever has reliability and mileage. Diesels get OK mileage but at the expense of high particulate etc. emissions. Don't get all "Look at me I'm green" if you have a diesel. Actually newer deisels that are properly maintained have very little particulate emissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Actually newer deisels that are properly maintained have very little particulate emissions. Diesels always have higher particulates than gas engines. The Passat TDI is being rereleased. It ain't a cheap car anymore (friend's Passat wagon feels like an Audi) - bit to posh for a "climber's car". Most late model used VW TDI's carry a (too high) premium IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alasdair Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Actually newer deisels that are properly maintained have very little particulate emissions. Diesels always have higher particulates than gas engines. I did not try to say that they have lower particulates than gasoline, and if you have a well tuned deisel and a crappy gasoline engine then your statement above is not true. In addition you should not forget that Gasoline is much more refined than deisel fuels, which in effect just places the extra polution at the refinery rather than the tail pipe. I am not trying to say the deisels are the end all be all of green vehicals, the are definatly not, but they do get much better gas milage, and they are not the foul smelling black smoke spewing vehicals they used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Definatly stay away from subarus if you want gas milage because they suck gas. Bullshit I can go 400 kms on a 30 liter tank in a 90 Subaru Legacy The 1990 legacy 4wd gets a stated milage of 25 mpg. The stated milage is always a conservative estimate. you are claiming 31 mpg. I call bullshit. Assuming that is that you do have the legacy 4wd. Even if you dont, the 2wd version still only gets 28 mpg. So I call bullshit and stick with my claim the subarus get shitty gas milage. Those are the actual statistics based on owning it for 3 years. Fill with gas = 30 liters...Ok it's actually 32. Full tank - drive for 400 kms. Its 400 kms Chilliwack to Squamish and return and I'm just dipping into the E zone when I turn off the highway in Chilliwack coming home from Squamish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I am not trying to say the deisels are the end all be all of green vehicals, the are definatly not, but they do get much better gas milage, and they are not the foul smelling black smoke spewing vehicals they used to be. That's all well and good(and I knew someone would nitpick) Getting down to brass tacks, VW TDI's weren't/aren't California (or any of the other CARB states) emissions compliant, so someone else thinks they pollute more. Buy a Honda Accord Wagon. Run's for ever, good fuel economy. Isn't as "climber" as a subaru though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Passat TDI's were re-released in 2004. As for emissions, here is what one site had to say: "turbo direct injection (TDI) diesel, is available as an option everywhere except in the five states that adhere to California emissions standards. In 2006, it’s available there too [due to reduced sulfur fuels required in 2006]. Contrary to what you may be hearing from the anti-diesel crowd, the TDI is an extremely clean engine if it is fed clean fuel. VW engineers maintain it is cleaner even than VW’s own 4.2L gasoline V-8. Quieter too they claim." The only part of the Cali emissions test that the TDI fails is the test for nitrogen oxide. I get better gas mileage (burn less to reach my destination), use a fuel which requires fewer resources to refine and meet all emission standards except one. I think thats a pretty good deal overall and am confident that I pollute less than most cars. Additionally, diesel motors require less maintenance and last longer, thereby reducing enviro impact even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Are you really driving a 2004 TDI? Damn think how much more climbing you could do if you'd bought a cheaper used car and spent the $20K difference on an unpaid vacation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 If you read the entire thread Dru you would realize I drive a 97 TDI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Ya but you are saying the 2004 TDI is the clean one. Your 97 is killing Mother Earth with those nasty emissions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 probably preoccupied doing all the liter/km calculations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
specialed Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Volkswagen TDI diesel engines sold in the US recycle the exhaust back into the intake so that they'll pass emissions in the U.S., resulting in a marked reduction in performance and gas mileage. You can take that shit to Canada to get fixed though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowByrd Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Subies are awesome...I've got a 2000 Forester....its cheap to own and gets great gas mileage...easy to maintain...all wheel drive is awesome if you already know how to drive in the ice and snow....its as high off the ground as the CRV or RAV4 but has more cargo space...I'm little so sleeping in the back isn't a problem but if you're under 6' you're still good....I get about 28 mpg in town and 32 on the freeway....just my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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