Marc Posted August 2, 2004 Posted August 2, 2004 Has anyone used one of these yet? How about ease of use for belaying the leader? Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted August 2, 2004 Posted August 2, 2004 It got a favorable review in the new issue of Climbing. Quote
rbw1966 Posted August 2, 2004 Posted August 2, 2004 Does anything get a negative review in Climbing? Quote
richard_noggin Posted August 2, 2004 Posted August 2, 2004 Does anything get a negative review in Climbing? Not if you pay for an add at the sme time as the review. It's been my experience in the past the worst is the best and the best is the worst when it comes to gear reviews in the mags, not that is the case with this item.I myself am waiting to see if it is as good as the GRIGRI at less weight. Quote
layton Posted August 2, 2004 Posted August 2, 2004 Climbing railed on R.J. Secor's 1st edition of his Sierras guidebook, but it seems a good idea to only print the good stuff. Quote
Dr_Crash Posted November 1, 2004 Posted November 1, 2004 Bumpity bump. Has anybody fondled, uh, I mean, tried, the Cinch? I am looking for a lightweight Gri-Gri for my son. He can belay with a regular device, but I'd hate to see him drop his little brother because he's not paying attention or something. Â drC Quote
RuMR Posted November 1, 2004 Posted November 1, 2004 just a comment...if he's not paying attention, maybe he ought not to belay period...regardless of the device... Quote
genepires Posted November 1, 2004 Posted November 1, 2004 best to stay with him and hold the brake line as a backup. Â Many people often use a prussik backup for their rappels. Maybe you should think about teaching your son to always put on a prussik to backup his brake hand and also anchor him down. Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted November 1, 2004 Posted November 1, 2004 These previous two posts are kind of funny. Â Duh, obviously Junior needs to learn to pay attention when belaying, but is it better to have him find out the hard way what happens when you don't pay attention, i.e. by having someone crater, or is it better to have the added safety of an auto-locking device there in case something does go amiss? Â Frankly, there is, as far as DFA is concerned, zero good argument against the Gri-Gri. There are hypothetical issues with it, but there are just as many concrete potential problems with your standard tube- or slot-style devices. It seems somewhat stubborn to insist on the use of old-school methods when the Gri-Gri has proven itself to be highly reliable, very safe, convenient, and effective, not to mention widely used. Â But whatever; they're your rugrats. Just don't let 'em drop each other on DFA's head. Quote
RuMR Posted November 1, 2004 Posted November 1, 2004 ...as that would make a squishy plop type of sound Quote
Dr_Crash Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 Thanks DFA. Exactly why I want the device. Â Also the Gri gri is sooo convenient when the person you're belaying spend a lot of time hanging on the rope studying the route... Just my $0.02 (or should that be EUR0.02?). Â drC Quote
genepires Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 DFA's post is kinda funny too. He seems to think that we are old school and anti-gri-gri. Who is "insisting on old school methods"? I never said that gri-gri's were a bad idea. I got one and use it all the time. I bought mine on a road trip because my belayer had a whopping 2 days experience. Â But dr crash, you brought up the fact that you were concerned about your KIDS dropping each other. If you want to see kids climbing, messing things up (with gri-gri also), and falling to the ground, go spend a day at merrymore park. Luckily they got rubber everywhere so only small bones break. You asked for opinions on the cinch which I don't have any. They look good. I assume you have taught your kids great belaying skills and determined focus. Relying completey on a gri-gri or cinch to keep them safe is as relyable as a CHAD ballot. If there is any question about their belay skills, then they need human backup. But they are your kids........and you gotta pay the hospital bills or worse. Quote
Dr_Crash Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 Kids are kids. My son is very focused and he does belay his friends. I am backing him up now. He has also used a Gri Gri (at VW) and does great with it. Just looking for something lighter. And while I do not think he'll drop anybody, why on earth would I risk it if I can mitigate the issue by spending $60 on a nice device? I know adults who have been dropped by adult belayers 30+ feet. Duh. Â drC Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 DFA's post is kinda funny too. He seems to think that we are old school and anti-gri-gri. Who is "insisting on old school methods"? Â Der ... you're talking about using prussik backups. The good Doctor didn't realize that the prussik backup was a recent innovation. The point is that the GriGri obviates the need for such antiquated contrivances. Quote
SnowByrd Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 Has anyone used one of these yet? How about ease of use for belaying the leader? Â So can anyone answer the original question? Has anyone used the Cinch? Is it better/worse than the gri gri? Why? Quote
Dr_Crash Posted November 14, 2004 Posted November 14, 2004 Girl, I forwarded you Rafael_H's opinion already... If he wants to repost it here, he'll do it. Â drC Quote
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