scott_harpell Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 How many times does he get tested a week? Next! Quote
Dru Posted June 15, 2004 Author Posted June 15, 2004 they can't test for everything.... the best and newest shit out there is always undetectable at first. it's a classic evolving battle between dopers and testers. Quote
sketchfest Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 True, new stuff does come along that the testers don't know about, but one of the reported abuses is/was with EPO, which they can and do test for. Quote
Dru Posted June 15, 2004 Author Posted June 15, 2004 but could they test for it when he was shooting up with it? Quote
Winter Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 who fucking cares? lance dopes, indurain dopes, jan dopes, they all fucking dope. its still a competition. there's no way to figure out whose doing it and who ain't. until he's busted he ain't doping, and the same goes for every other athlete on the tour. Quote
jon Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 The French are just pissed that they can't win their own Tour and their beloved team just went down the drain because of a doping scandle. Quote
Dru Posted June 15, 2004 Author Posted June 15, 2004 how fast do you think he'd be if he rode wearing a panda suit? Quote
MervGriffin Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Lance is constantly accused of this kind of stuff by LOSERS who can't deal with the fact that through talent, discipline and training, someone can be as good as he is without being doped up. Especially after beating cancer which would have killed most others. Â And keep this reality check in mind: Lance Armstrong makes most climbers look like really wussies. Observe: Â Most climbers and those who bad-mouth Lance: Â MIGHTY LANCE himself: Â Any more questions?.....I didn't think so. Quote
ChocChick Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Frankly, I don't believe any of the allegations against Lance. Why in the hell are humans so suspicious and jealous? Armstrong trains like a madman. He is a SUPERB athlete (could he actually be SpiderMan?). Shit, the climbing community doesn't start crying drug abuse when someone does something amazing, do they? Â Sick of hearing them accuse him of the drugs. . . Quote
badvoodoo Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 who fucking cares? lance dopes, indurain dopes, jan dopes, they all fucking dope. its still a competition. Â Next stop: Â Quote
JayB Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Steroids are rarely, if ever, beneficial to endurance atheletes. Quote
Dru Posted June 15, 2004 Author Posted June 15, 2004 studies show most athletes would take drugs that would kill them 20 years from now if it guaranteeed them 5 years of wins. Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Steroids are rarely, if ever, beneficial to endurance atheletes. Â Why was I tested 2-3 times a year then ace? Quote
fenderfour Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Since we are talking about Lance, how about www.wearyellow.com. Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Since we are talking about Lance, how about www.wearyellow.com. Â Don't you mean www.NIKE.COM ? Quote
slothrop Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Maybe you were tested for blood doping or some drug that DOES benefit endurance athletes. Steroids are for building muscle mass, but jack up the hemoglobin in your blood and you gain metabolic efficiency. I think. Quote
cracked Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Steroids are rarely, if ever, beneficial to endurance atheletes. Â Why was I tested 2-3 times a year then ace? They probably wondered how you were able to bulk up so much! Quote
jon Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 If you look back at Armstrong career he has been a monster from the beginning, Junior World Champion, USPro Champion, World Champion, TdF stage winner, then he gets cancer and comes back to win 5 TdFs in a row. Is this some sort of suprise? He does it because he is more prepared than guys like Ulrich who are too busy dropping E during the winter, and he has one of the best team there is. They aren't questioning Tyler Hamilton, who in my opinion is almost as good, and who gets tested just as frequently as Lance does. They think it is amazing that Lance can win the tour but don't question Tyler's third place with a broken collar bone? How about Damiano Cunego who blew up the Giro this year, that kid was fucking unstoppable, he's got to be on something, but they aren't questioning him? Or how bout Petacchi, who destroys everyone at the end and won like 8 stages of the Giro and like 20 in the grand tours last year, he's pushing a 54x11 at 110 rpms at 1600 watts or something rediculous like that to go 45 mph but nobody finds that odd. Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 I thought the same thing about Hamilton when he roasted them on the broken collar-bone. Dude rode better on a broken collar bone then 100% Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Anyways, winning is a byproduct of working your ass off and Armstrong certainly does that. I would be 110% sure that he was doing steroids before I made an allegation like that. Those guys work their asses off. I wouldn't want to take that away from them. Quote
markinore Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Steroids do help endurance athletes, both by building muscle and by accelerating recovery from strenuous workouts. Erythropoietin (EPO) stimulates the production of red blood cells, improving your oxygen carrying capacity and therefore the efficiency of your cardiopulmonary system. Â I hope the allegations about Lance are false. From what I have read, there doesn't seem to be too much of a smoking gun. The least believable charge was that Lance asked for makeup to cover up needle marks. He's got to have a million nicks and cuts from riding and other training, so why would a needle mark be particularly noticable and need to be covered up? Quote
Dru Posted June 16, 2004 Author Posted June 16, 2004 shit you guys are in denial lance is as juiced up as ben johnson and you are ignoring the obvious Quote
j_b Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 until there is evidence, his record stands although reporters should keep digging. in the meantimes, let's try not to make a scapegoat out of him. we should not have any illusions about pro-cycling (pro-sports in general) but let's put it in the proper context. lance is amazing! Quote
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