RuMR Posted March 19, 2004 Posted March 19, 2004 ...by somebody that using a munter hitch to belay w/ is not safe After some reesearch, it turns out that it has stronger "lockoff" capability than any modern belay device excepting the gri gri! Quote
bobinc Posted March 19, 2004 Posted March 19, 2004 I'll bet you also don't tie in with the lemming knot (aka 2x figure 8)! Quote
RuMR Posted March 19, 2004 Author Posted March 19, 2004 double bowline for me...w/ a proper finish... i was using the munter cuz i was too lazy to walk out to the car and rummage through my climbing pack for a grigri or an atc!! Quote
thelawgoddess Posted March 19, 2004 Posted March 19, 2004 rumr lazy? what has this world come to? Quote
RuMR Posted March 19, 2004 Author Posted March 19, 2004 don't start in on me...i'm having a really shitty day/week/month/year/life right now... Quote
Figger_Eight Posted March 19, 2004 Posted March 19, 2004 I was using one in the gym the other day cuz I sick of wrestling a stiff 11mm rope into an atc. I got some funny looks too. Ha ha. Quote
catbirdseat Posted March 19, 2004 Posted March 19, 2004 ...by somebody that using a munter hitch to belay w/ is not safe After some reesearch, it turns out that it has stronger "lockoff" capability than any modern belay device excepting the gri gri! It wouldn't have made any difference had you told them this information. Doubtless they had never seen nor heard of a Munter Hitch. If it is unknown, it is DANGEROUS. Quote
minx Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 hey you guys don't encourage this sort of behaviour from rumr. if he doesn't straighten up he could lose his belay card! Quote
catbirdseat Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 I don't know about that guy. I think he could be dangerous. Quote
glassgowkiss Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 i think rumr needs some love ... more like Quote
skyclimb Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 where is the six-shooter gremlin when you need one? Guns smokin, problem solved right? Quote
thelawgoddess Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 that's not rumr's style. he's more of a kind of guy. Quote
scott_harpell Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 hey you guys don't encourage this sort of behaviour from rumr. if he doesn't straighten up he could lose his belay card! Or worse yet... become an alpine climber! Quote
ashw_justin Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 A year back a friend wanted to climb, so I take him to Stone Gardens. This yuppie ponytail dude tells I have to re-take the belay test, but that I can't use my figure eight to belay there. So I quip "alright, well how about a munter hitch?" I get a blank stare. Finally I do the test and I get "well, that'll do, I guess." Then he warns me, I'm not allowed to show my friend how to belay there, and furthermore, he's "not allowed to take the belay test the same day he learns it." Nothing like being on the receiving end of a gym-rat superiority complex. And the best part is I paid good money for it. I'm never taking a newbie to a gym again. Straight to the rock. Quote
catbirdseat Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 Those sort of rules are pretty universal. Who knows why they exist? I guess because the gyms are trying to sell their classes. It seems rather silly. They are going to make more money from the new climber's gym fees. More likely, their lawyers told them they would be more liable if someone was injured on the same day the belayer was trained. Quote
Suz Posted March 20, 2004 Posted March 20, 2004 Those sort of rules are pretty universal. Who knows why they exist? I guess because the gyms are trying to sell their classes. It seems rather silly. They are going to make more money from the new climber's gym fees. More likely, their lawyers told them they would be more liable if someone was injured on the same day the belayer was trained. Remember back in grade school (HS, college, whatever) when you'd stare at the material you were supposed to study, dash in and write it on the test paper, then forget it before you even turned the test in? Same idea here, I think. "Wait, I did this last time I was here for the belay test..." Yikes! I think their idea is that you should have practiced it a couple times before you go in for the test. Probably one of those things that makes more sense if you're making the rules than trying to figure out why they exist. Quote
glacier Posted March 22, 2004 Posted March 22, 2004 I'll Munter with the boat hawsers SG is using for TR ropes right now - Bothers the gf as she climbs more than the staff, but they expect sketchy behavior from me. Quote
salbrecher Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Off topic but... I was at an avalanche workshop a few months back and low and behold, Werner Munter (inventor of the hitch) was the guest speaker! When i saw him in the lobby I thought he was a homeless guy; next thing I know he's up on stage speaking. Quote
catbirdseat Posted March 23, 2004 Posted March 23, 2004 Well? Did you shake his hand and get his autograph? Quote
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