Pearly Back Door

[Cpt.Caveman]

Lynn Hill is old enough to nearly be my mom

[Dru]

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Originally posted by avypoodle:

Lynn Hill was pretty hot 25 years ago.

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2 words SANDRINE LEVET.

[Wopper]

Jesus H. Christ - What an annoying little feller!

I suggest a new chant:

Iambone sucks! Iambone sucks!

[Retrosaurus]

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Originally posted by Lambone:

The real point I am making is that while bolts have no direct environmental impact other than aesthetic quality, making new trails all over the place does.

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If you bolt it, they will come.

Direct impact:

-aesthetic quality

-reduced risk=reduced commitment=reduced adventure

Indirect impact:

-bolts beget bolts

-increased use

-increased erosion

-increased garbage

-increased everythingwedonotwanttoseeinnature

 

Yes. A dull tool.

[Dwayner]

It was just last year that I experienced my first annoying exchange with Lambone. He doesn't seem to have made much progress since, but that's just my opinion. One way we dealt with it last summer was to boycott this miserable and coarse little fella by not responding to his posts. With no one to provide him the attention, perhaps he will look inward and a follow a path of self-improvement, ultimately resulting in a Lambone that we could all welcome as our friend and alpine brother. This deserves some thought.

- "Mr. Aloha"

[Lambone]

That's the problem with trying to mix spray with something that you feel strongley about...maybe I should clarify myself,

 

Spray: Dwayner is a punk ass bitch... team pope + Dwanyner can stuff my quickdraws up their ass...etc.

 

Important topic that I care about: Climber encroachement on wildlife habitat ie. (nesting sites, habitat corridors...) useless new emergance of trails at leavenworth and index...etc.

 

I like that, lambone sucks!lambone sucks! lambone sucks!

[Lambone]

Ok Retro...I get your point, and you are right to a certain extent.

 

But like Pope said, the trail up to Snow Creek Wall is one of the most eroded trails in the Cascades.

 

Is that because of the number of bolts on Snow Creek Wall?

 

Sport climbing and Trad climbing are not mutually exclusive. The same residual effects occur within each type of climbing. One could argue that the effects of the popularity of Trad climbing are more detrimental, because Trad climbing is generally done in more wild, i.e. sensitive areas. Pinning the blame on sport climbers is not an effective answer to the problem.

[Cpt.Caveman]

You guys all are wankers-

 

I can drink more alcohol than Dwayner in a one sit contest. I can chop bolts faster than Pope too.

 

Lambone has no idea how to be a spray king like me.

 

I am going to chop some bolts and defacate in the Muir hut then head over and climb up through all the falcon infested crags.

[CAMAZONIA]

Originally posted by Dwayner:

[QB]"yeah if there wasn't sport climbing and all climbing was fairly serious there's just be more people playing ultimate frisbee not more people alpine or trad climbing."

 

i dunno what planet you guys are from but on this one most climbers climb trad, sport, and alpine.

What you think OS is hard requireing special skills it's proable overrated, time and time again I pass bumblies on that wall.

Is it not enought that most of the rock is allready tied up in access issues. Knock it off you are becomeing your own worst enemies

[Lambone]

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Originally posted by JayB:

Launching into tirades about how bolts desecrate the environment and then bragging about the new convenience trail that you’ve blazed up instead of taking the existing trail is the literal definition of “glaring contradiction.” Hopefully we’ll be spared the “I condemn bolting because I am the epitome of the environmentally conscious climber” line from now on.

[/QB]

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That was exactly my point JayB, nothing more, nothing less. Thanks for being the first one to acknowledge it.

[CAMAZONIA]

Watch out Bone and Jay B These guys are members of the KTK (kascade Trad Klan ) I think Pope is the grand wizard , they will come dressed in sheets and burn quickdraws in your frount yard!! You know if your not pure trad your just not right. You can tell when they are coming, they will arrive in an SUV with an Easy Ryder Rifle rack and a bumper sticker that says Sport climbing is neither.

 

[ 05-08-2002, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: CAMAZONIA ]

[CAMAZONIA]

 

[ 05-08-2002, 09:38 PM: Message edited by: CAMAZONIA ]

[CAMAZONIA]

[/qb]

 

[ 05-08-2002, 09:39 PM: Message edited by: CAMAZONIA ]

[CAMAZONIA]

[Dru]

posting 50 posts of exactly the same quote does NOT count toward your SPRAY QUOTA of 20 po sts a day

[CAMAZONIA]

I could'nt get the damn edit thing to work and before I knew I had multi post than they hit me with flood control F@$%

[pope]

There is nothing contradictory here, just a couple of chumps with reading comprehension limitations. When Limp Bone quotes me as saying that bolts are bad for the environment, I think he should clarify what he means by "bad for the environment." There don't seem to be any ecological consequences; it's not as though bolts disrupt the food chain. What I'm saying instead, and quite consistently I might add, is that bolts are ugly and alien to the mountain environment, and while they are justified in a few special circumstances, the degree to which modern climbing "culture" is willing to spray them all over the rock is bullshit. By this I mean that climbing to me is a wilderness experience and I wish to see a minimum of human traces when I climb. This is the content of the quote that JayB just pulled up. I've never said bolts are "bad for the environment", and I think I was right to correct Lambone in this misquote.

 

Also, this Pearly Back Door thing has gone far enough. Limpy, JayB: YOU GUYS ARE BORING! JayB, you don't know don't know how to catch a guy in a contradiction, but you do a fine job of making an ass out of yourself in the process. Lambone, your greatest proficiency is in employing four-letter words to advance your imbecilic opinions. Guess what: there is no Pearly Back Door. There is no trail, the route is not fast. This is a little hike Dwayner and I did on a showery afternoon, through an obstacle course of brush, talus and fallen/burnt trees. If anybody wishes to hike this route, I can assure you he will do no environmental damage and that he will need two hours to approach SCW.

 

I have no idea what a KTK is and I can assure you that I'm not associated with it/them/whatever.

[ScottP]

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Originally posted by JayB:

(Snip)

Just having some fun here – and I think Lambone has a point. Launching into tirades about how bolts desecrate the environment and then bragging about the new convenience trail that you’ve blazed up instead of taking the existing trail is the literal definition of “glaring contradiction.” Hopefully we’ll be spared the “I condemn bolting because I am the epitome of the environmentally conscious climber” line from now on.

[/QB]

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I have reread this post a couple of times and I still can't find just where there is actually a mention of how to access this "Pearly Back Door" approach to SC Wall, other than it starts from the Pearly Gates.

 

Every time I go up to SC Wall, I use what I call the "Beckey Approach". This approach shaves off all but two of the switchbacks (and gets me first on any route I am wanting to do ). Every time I go up there I look for signs of my, or anyone else's previous passing, but I find none. An approach without a trail does not a "blaze" make, if it is a personal one.

 

Me thinks this was a damn fine troll.

[Lambone]

Pope,

So more bolts are bad...but more trails are ok???

 

There is your contradiction. And I didn't use a single "four letter word" in this thread until now...prick.

 

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[dick_savage]

Somebody take these 3 wankers (bone, poop & whiner) out back and put em' outta their misery. PLEASE

[pope]

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Originally posted by Lambone:

Pope,

So more bolts are bad...but more trails are ok???

 

There is your contradiction. And I didn't use a single "four letter word" in this thread until now...prick.

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Prick is a five-letter word.

 

Also, there is no trail. Has reading comprehension always been so challenging?

[Lambone]

ggggrrrrr...so, so what...five letters, whatever, you're still a prick.

 

"About the trail: yes it's fast, and it follows a game migration route which, if you didn't know, seems to stay on the contour, and so erosion is minimal."

 

"The trail is already there. It traverses the slope at a gentle grade and promotes less erosion than the standard trail. Somehow it blends in with the meadows better than your bolts and lycra blend in with the granite."

 

My reading comprehension may suck, but your memory has gone to shit...gettin old?

[pope]

There is no trail. After a two-hour struggle through awful terrain, Dwayner and I said, "Let's put this on the net and tell everybody it's a short-cut."

[Lambone]

whatever dude, I don't buy that crap...your busted and you know it...

 

[ 05-08-2002, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: Lambone ]

[JayB]

I'm sorry to see a generally good natured guy revert to name calling to enhance his argument, but the fact remains that even if you remove any mention of bolts, the content of your quotes below (in which you claim to be an advocate of wilderness preservation) + taking a convenience trail to the base of a popular cliff instead of following the established trail (blatant disregard for preservation) = contradiction. Try if you wish, but you simply cannot insult your way out of this conclusion.

 

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Originally posted by pope:

My point is that enjoyment per se is not justification for permanently damaging a public resource, and that those who would engage in this are valuing their personal gratification over wilderness preservation, over respecting a limited resource and those who wish to keep it natural.

 

“I could have a good time doing all kinds of things: firing a gun within city limits, messin'around with your wife, beating up nice girls at a Mardi Gras celebration downtown, driving my motorcycle down the sidewalk,etc.

 

Enjoyment is not justification when other factors must be considered, like the fact that cliffs are PUBLIC space and, therefore, should be used in such a way that doesn't step on others' toes.

 

Your enjoyment comes at a cost to me, however, and that's why we need to get back to the idea that cliffs are a limited, public resource which should be preserved.”

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