iain Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 or the deodar cedar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 The cedars of Lebanon WERE deodars Do ya think they had squirrels too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 I thought they were separate species - Cedar of Lebanon cedrus libani and Deodar Cedar cedrus deodara I think I was wrong about the middle east though, I think the deodar cedars are more in the himalaya or somewhere around there. Anyway, there are definitely evergreens around in the middle east, in fact they are famous for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 (edited) Wrong, Dru. The Lebanon Cedar is Cedrus libani. There are three true cedars: deodara, libani, and atlantica. The most commonly grown in the US is the Deodar. Edited December 15, 2003 by catbirdseat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 well what the hell some arborist told me that the cedars of lebanon were deodars and he obviously hoaxed me good! unless it turns out that the librani is the deodar like the arbutus is the madrone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Harris Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 Dru said: Dan_Harris said: (how many evergreens do you think are indigenous to Bethlehem?) Hey, ya ever hear of the "cedars of Lebanon"? I was just putting up a quote. And yes I have heard of the cedars of Lebanon. Bethlehem, last time I looked though is south of Jerusalem on the West Bank. Gets kind of arid down there. Now Jesus is said to be a carpenter, as was Joseph, from Nazareth which is in the north of Israel. Probably had cedars there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 Well see they logged off the forests in the middle east and never replanted, and overgrazed, and farmed the fields without fallowing or fertilizing properly, and look what you get : a desert! A good example of early human-induced climate change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Harris Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 Again I knew about the cutting, overgrazing, etc. But wasn't the Negev Desert the Negev back then too? Bethlehem is a little north of there and a little west of the Dead Sea. I think we all know why it is called that. I don't think the cedars extended that far south that's all. I could be wrong. It's happened a couple of times before. Anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 Dwayner is an archaeologist we could ask him if he wasn't banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 Rats, Dwayner would know, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Harris Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 "If any Enron executives got a lump of coal for Christmas, they’d turn around and sell it to a power plant at an inflated price. " - Bob Hirschfeld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglehead Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 For what it's worth, I lived on the Lebanese border in northern Israel on top of a huge hill in the middle of a pine forest. Contrary to popular misconception, there are still a lot of trees in Israel. True, there are a lot of replanted trees, but there are still plenty of areas that weren't cut down to bare earth. And there were Lebanese cedars everywhere. They're awesome. Israel's pretty. Filthy, but pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Harris Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 "Oh, sure, The Little Drummer Boy is a beautiful song, for maybe the first 35 minutes. But eventually it gets on your nerves, those voices shrieking “Rum-pa-pa-pum!” I’ll tell you this: If I were taking care of a newborn baby, and somebody came around whacking on a drum, that person would find himself at the emergency room having his drumsticks surgically removed from his rum-pa-pa-pum, if you know what I mean. " - Dave Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Harris Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 "I think that Santa Claus is a really big elf on a power trip. " - Christine Rudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glacier Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Via South Park (look out - bad words) I heard there is no Christmas, In the silly Middle East.. No Trees, no Snow, no Santa Claus, They have Different Religious beliefs.. They Believe in Muhammad, And not in our Holiday.. And so every December, I go to the Middle East and say.. Hey there Mr Muslim, Merry Fucking Christmas Put down that book 'The Koran' and hear some holiday wishes Incase you haven't noticed, it's Jesus's Birthday So get off you heathen Muslim Ass And fucking celebrate. There is no holiday season in india, i've heard.. They don't hang up their stockings, and that is just absurd.. They've never read a Christmas Story, They Don't know what Rudolph is about.. And that's why in December, I'll go to india and shout.. Hey there Mr Hinduist, Merry Fucking Christmas Dring some 'nog, and eat some Beef and pass it to the Missus Incase you haven't noticed, It's Jesus's Birthday So get off your heathen hindu ass, And fucking celebrate. Now I heard that in Japan, Everyone just lives in sin.. They pray to several gods, And put needles in their skin.. On December twenty-fifth, all they do is eat a cake.. and that is why i'll go to Japan, and walk around and say.. Hey there Mr Shintoist, Merry Fucking Christmas God is gonna kick your ass You infidelic pagan scum. Incase you haven't noticed, There's festive things to do So lets all rejoice for Jesus and Merry Fucking Christmas to you. On Christmas Day, I travel round the world and say.. Taoists, Korishnas, Buddists and all you atheists too.. Merry Fucking Christmas to you. Thank you, Mr Hat.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Harris Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 glacier I like. "For reasons I cannot begin to understand, when I was about eight years old my parents gave me a pair of skis for Christmas. I went outside, strapped them on, and stood in a racing crouch, but nothing happened. This is because there are no hills in Iowa." - Bill Bryson, I’m a Stranger Here Myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Harris Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 "When I was young, I wrote a letter to Santa Claus every year and he always brought me what I wanted. Now that I’m an adult, I have my children write similar letters to Santa, but the lazy %&!#* never brings them anything." - Unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 Glacier, your South Park song more properly belongs in the Non-PC thread. Bwaaahhaaaa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Harris Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 Bear with me. Only a few more days. "Surely, if (Santa Claus) were a man, everyone in the universe would wake up Christmas morning to find a rotating musical Chia Pet under the tree, still in the bag." - Anonymous, Santa Claus Must be a Woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 Wrong, Dru. The Lebanon Cedar is Cedrus libani. There are three true cedars: deodara, libani, and atlantica. The most commonly grown in the US is the Deodar. Catbird is right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 The true cedars (Cedrus, a Pine family genus) are much planted in Northwest cities; they are three species native to Lebanon, Israel, and the Atlas and Himalaya Mountains. Each of our "false" cedars represents a Pacific Rim genus with other species in Northeast Asia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrambler Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 (edited) Edited December 22, 2003 by scrambler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Harris Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 "Anyone thinking of the Holy Child as born in December would mean by it exactly what we mean by it; that Christ is not merely a summer sun of the prosperous but a winter fire for the unfortunate. " - Gilbert Keith Chesterton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 The true cedars (Cedrus, a Pine family genus) are much planted in Northwest cities; they are three species native to Lebanon, Israel, and the Atlas and Himalaya Mountains. Each of our "false" cedars represents a Pacific Rim genus with other species in Northeast Asia. Thou also mockest, O thief, and when threatened, dost stretch out to me the indecent finger! Alas, unhappy I! that the thing is but wood which makes me seem fearsome. But no matter, I will charge the lecherous owner of the garden that he may be willing to irrumate the thieves for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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