More pork - Energy bill

[Jim]

Is this kinda stuff getting old or what? From both the Dems and the Reps. We're going into a nosedive of debt and the Energy Bill is loaded with pork for the industries. Here's a couple of examples.

 

Retoractice exclusion from lawsuits for MTBE producers..this gasoline additive has fouled ground water in 28 states, and at least a dozen lawsuits have already been filed. So.... the industry will walk away and the public will pay the bill. Courtesy of Tom Delay ® Texas, where the chemical industy thrives.

 

Ethanol subsidies. A load of pork for the midwest farmers via Tom Daschel (D).

 

$20 billion in tax breaks for oil, gas, and coal industry.

 

$18 billion in loan guarantees for gas pipeline in Alaska (if it's such a good idea, why not leave it to the market?) Courtesy of the Alaska representatives.

 

Provisions to explore for oil and gas on the North Slope in areas previously agreed to be off-limits (1988) to protect sensitive areas and wildlife for native subsistence hunters.

 

And of course - no increase in the fuel economy standards. That will help reduce our oil dependence.

 

WTF? Both sides of the aisle are just plodding along the same well-worn trail. Though you have to give the Reps more credit as they own the house and senate these days.

[lummox]

me gusto tacos de carnitas. con lima y jalepenos escabiche. claro?

[Scott_J]

Jim said:

Is this kinda stuff getting old or what? From both the Dems and the Reps. We're going into a nosedive of debt and the Energy Bill is loaded with pork for the industries. Here's a couple of examples.

 

 

 

Ethanol subsidies. A load of pork for the midwest farmers via Tom Daschel (D). THERE IS NOTHING BAD ABOUT THIS. IT HELPS THE INDUSTRY TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVES TO ENHANCE EXTENDING OUR USE OF OIL PRODUCTS AND IT HELPS FARMERS, WHO ARE HAVING A TOUGH TIME OF IT.

 

$20 billion in tax breaks for oil, gas, and coal industry. YA, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? THIS ALLOWS THE INDUSTRY TO EXPLORE AND INVEST IN OTHER RESEARCH.

 

$18 billion in loan guarantees for gas pipeline in Alaska (if it's such a good idea, why not leave it to the market?) Courtesy of the Alaska representatives.AS GLACIER DOG STATED IN HIS LAST MESSAGE FUCK YOU GUYS THAT DON'T LIVE THERE. LEAVE ALASKA TO ALASKANS.

 

Provisions to explore for oil and gas on the North Slope in areas previously agreed to be off-limits (1988) to protect sensitive areas and wildlife for native subsistence hunters. EXPLORATION DOES NOT HURT A THING. AND THE WAY MODERN DRILL SITES ARE PUT IN WITH DIRECTIONAL DRILL AND SUCH A TON OF OIL CAN BE ACCESSED WITH MINIMAL IMPACT.

 

[allthumbs]

... what's a girl to do?

[scott_harpell]

oil is old school. you wont catch me using it.

[Scott_J]

scott_harpell said:

oil is old school. you wont catch me using it.

Lets see...you only wear wool and cotton hemp etc.

You only use muscle driven transportation or wind or solar etc.

You never seek out modern medicine and its wonders from the petrochemical indusrty

I could go on and on and on but why bother this arugment is like gun control: WE ALL HAVE OUR MIND SET AND THAT IS THAT

[badvoodoo]

sisu_suomi said:

 

Ethanol subsidies. A load of pork for the midwest farmers via Tom Daschel (D). THERE IS NOTHING BAD ABOUT THIS. IT HELPS THE INDUSTRY TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVES TO ENHANCE EXTENDING OUR USE OF OIL PRODUCTS AND IT HELPS FARMERS, WHO ARE HAVING A TOUGH TIME OF IT.

 

I have to agree here. Funding a) alternative fuels and b) struggling agriculture is not a bad thing.

 

$20 billion in tax breaks for oil, gas, and coal industry. YA, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? THIS ALLOWS THE INDUSTRY TO EXPLORE AND INVEST IN OTHER RESEARCH.

 

I can't see the need to fund traditional oil and coal industries. These are established industries that have very little room for innovation, and already have tremendous market funding due to our endless reliance on them.

 

$18 billion in loan guarantees for gas pipeline in Alaska (if it's such a good idea, why not leave it to the market?) Courtesy of the Alaska representatives.AS GLACIER DOG STATED IN HIS LAST MESSAGE FUCK YOU GUYS THAT DON'T LIVE THERE. LEAVE ALASKA TO ALASKANS.

 

So long as they actually gather interest on the loans and account for them, power to them. This is funding a solid project, and actually EARNING money for the government off the industry. But then, who's to say this won't get backdoored and "forget" the interest.

 

Provisions to explore for oil and gas on the North Slope in areas previously agreed to be off-limits (1988) to protect sensitive areas and wildlife for native subsistence hunters. EXPLORATION DOES NOT HURT A THING. AND THE WAY MODERN DRILL SITES ARE PUT IN WITH DIRECTIONAL DRILL AND SUCH A TON OF OIL CAN BE ACCESSED WITH MINIMAL IMPACT.

 

While the technology is there to help minimize impact, this has potential to be a slippery slope. Today a few spots in a wildlife preserve, but who knows how much they'll chip away.

 

[scrambler]

sisu_suomi said:

scott_harpell said:

oil is old school. you wont catch me using it.

Lets see...you only wear wool and cotton hemp etc.

You only use muscle driven transportation or wind or solar etc.

You never seek out modern medicine and its wonders from the petrochemical indusrty

I could go on and on and on but why bother this arugment is like gun control: WE ALL HAVE OUR MIND SET AND THAT IS THAT

 

Yeah, there is no viable replacement for the use of hydrocarbons in producing consumer products such as plastics and pharmaceuticals. However, concerning its use as a fuel source, the political action appears to be business as usual. Implementation of alternative fuel sources appears to be proceeding at a glacial pace albeit with the exception of nuclear energy derived by fission.

 

It seems to require a crisis, e.g., the 1973 oil embargo, to force drastic measures to address the issue on a broad scale. Shouldn’t direct and indirect events such as the 1973 oil embargo and 911 reinforce the idea that the procurement of oil from foreign sources will continue to be a thorn in our side? One doesn’t need a lot of foresight to realize that the problems in the Middle East will continue and foreign political forces will manipulate the situation for their benefit.

 

We like to think as the world’s remaining superpower that we control the situation but damned if I don’t believe that we’re being played the world’s sucker by these smaller countries. And, who’s losing out? The majority of the working people in the United States. All this crap is on our backs whether we pay more of our share of taxes for the war machine or to rebuild a foreign country or if we send our children to fight.

 

I’d like to know what will be the driver that forces us to address the next evolution in our society. There is a definite sense of urgency in implementing alternative energy sources because each life lost is a casualty of the lack of a progressive energy policy that has a vision that looks several generations beyond the current one.

 

[Jim]

sisu_suomi said:

Jim said:

 

$18 billion in loan guarantees for gas pipeline in Alaska (if it's such a good idea, why not leave it to the market?) Courtesy of the Alaska representatives.AS GLACIER DOG STATED IN HIS LAST MESSAGE FUCK YOU GUYS THAT DON'T LIVE THERE. LEAVE ALASKA TO ALASKANS.

 

I've lived up there too. But if they're such rugged indviduals - then let them pay for the dang thing themselves and stop feeding at the federal trough.

[Dave_Schuldt]

Same old shit