cracked Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Beck said: what happens when you go to use shaped skins on a ski with different sidecut or dimensions? Do most of you have a separate set of skins for each set of skis in your quiver? There are a few more compelling reasons to run on straight skins... You're the only one on XCDs these days, Beck. I tried using my straight skins on my shaped skis. Once. The next day I bought fat skins and trimmed them to fit. It sucks to shift your weight slightly only to faceplant because you're now standing on the unskinned edge of your ski. Not cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I wonder if shaped skis make a diference in the back country. It seems harder to edge with them while climbing icey slopes. Seems like the shaped skis are great for groomers. When you get new skis you may have to get new skins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdog Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 cracked said: Beck said: what happens when you go to use shaped skins on a ski with different sidecut or dimensions? Do most of you have a separate set of skins for each set of skis in your quiver? There are a few more compelling reasons to run on straight skins... You're the only one on XCDs these days, Beck. I tried using my straight skins on my shaped skis. Once. The next day I bought fat skins and trimmed them to fit. It sucks to shift your weight slightly only to faceplant because you're now standing on the unskinned edge of your ski. Not cool. i love this shit. only on cc.com will you have someone who appears to have just started skiing (cracked) giving a bunch of crap to someone who has probably been skiing longer (beck) than said person has been alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 jdog said: cracked said: Beck said: what happens when you go to use shaped skins on a ski with different sidecut or dimensions? Do most of you have a separate set of skins for each set of skis in your quiver? There are a few more compelling reasons to run on straight skins... You're the only one on XCDs these days, Beck. I tried using my straight skins on my shaped skis. Once. The next day I bought fat skins and trimmed them to fit. It sucks to shift your weight slightly only to faceplant because you're now standing on the unskinned edge of your ski. Not cool. i love this shit. only on cc.com will you have someone who appears to have just started skiing (cracked) giving a bunch of crap to someone who has probably been skiing longer (beck) than said person has been alive. What's your point? Beck didn't even give any 'compelling reasons' against shaped skins other than versatility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I think this is overanalysis, but I'll just say I didn't say go for super skinny skins. Ones that are as wide as the waist of the ski work just fine. Again, nothing against full-coverage skins, just they are not essential. There is so much technique in skinning. Many experienced skinners can get up unbelievable stuff w/ratty old normal skins. The worst is when you are on a climbing traverse, and you angle in a little too much and instantly shoot backwards on the ski rail. Yikes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdog Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 cracked said: jdog said: cracked said: Beck said: what happens when you go to use shaped skins on a ski with different sidecut or dimensions? Do most of you have a separate set of skins for each set of skis in your quiver? There are a few more compelling reasons to run on straight skins... You're the only one on XCDs these days, Beck. I tried using my straight skins on my shaped skis. Once. The next day I bought fat skins and trimmed them to fit. It sucks to shift your weight slightly only to faceplant because you're now standing on the unskinned edge of your ski. Not cool. i love this shit. only on cc.com will you have someone who appears to have just started skiing (cracked) giving a bunch of crap to someone who has probably been skiing longer (beck) than said person has been alive. What's your point? Beck didn't even give any 'compelling reasons' against shaped skins other than versatility. My point is you talk like you know everything, yet you admittedly just bought the gear six months ago. Beck asks some legitimate questions and you bash on him. Why don't you get some experience before you start laying waste to everyone elses points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 at the very least stop posting videos of you wiping out on a 1 foot kicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 iain said: at the very least stop posting videos of you wiping out on a 1 foot kicker Huh? That wasn't me. That was Crazy_Jeff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 oh I see, well I guess you're in the clear then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 cracked said:What's your point? Beck didn't even give any 'compelling reasons' against shaped skins other than versatility. I think his point was your just another cc pocket hardman, who sprays far bigger than he can sack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fejas Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 if your gonna video and post it, it sould be something cool like a mictwist over a 80ft cravas or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 jdog said: cracked said: jdog said: cracked said: Beck said: what happens when you go to use shaped skins on a ski with different sidecut or dimensions? Do most of you have a separate set of skins for each set of skis in your quiver? There are a few more compelling reasons to run on straight skins... You're the only one on XCDs these days, Beck. I tried using my straight skins on my shaped skis. Once. The next day I bought fat skins and trimmed them to fit. It sucks to shift your weight slightly only to faceplant because you're now standing on the unskinned edge of your ski. Not cool. i love this shit. only on cc.com will you have someone who appears to have just started skiing (cracked) giving a bunch of crap to someone who has probably been skiing longer (beck) than said person has been alive. What's your point? Beck didn't even give any 'compelling reasons' against shaped skins other than versatility. My point is you talk like you know everything, yet you admittedly just bought the gear six months ago. Beck asks some legitimate questions and you bash on him. Why don't you get some experience before you start laying waste to everyone elses points. "Legitimate questions"? The only legitimate point he made was that shaped skins prevent using one pair of skins on multiple skis. I'm still waiting for the other 'compelling reasons' for throwing away my shaped skins. As for the experience issue, Marylou has been skiing for as long as Beck has, but she doesn't pretend to be the God of equipment. In my experience, shaped skins are worth it. This is SUCH a stupid argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Part of the argument lies in the fact that folks have different ideas of what they want to ski. If you are yo yo skiing powder snow in the clearcuts, and for some touring, the skinnier skins will do just fine. However, if you are going to be skiing up and down mountains, you'll frequently be skiing rained frozen treewells below timberline or wind-blown crust above timberline and in these situations you want the skin to cover as close to the edge of the ski as possible or you are going to need ski crampons. When I trimmed my last pair, the instructions said to leave a half inch showing outside the skin and I decided a quarter would be better. I wish I had left even less. Skinning downhill sucks. I very rarely find the need for it -- even with a full pack and a narrow trail through the woods. I don't think this would be a reason for me to want skinnier skins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 skinning downhill does indeed suck, but there seem to be plenty of times when it happens (for me at least?). Seems to happen frequently for me on mountain circumnavigations (like north sister, hood, or something similar) were there are a bunch of moraines and it seems like a waste of time to stop at the top of each one to strip off the skins. again, I wouldn't buy skins based on this, just something I have noticed over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 mattp said:Skinning downhill sucks. I very rarely find the need for it -- Your skiing on rolling terrain and don't feel like taking your skins off every .5 miles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdog Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 cj001f said: cracked said:What's your point? Beck didn't even give any 'compelling reasons' against shaped skins other than versatility. I think his point was your just another cc pocket hardman, who sprays far bigger than he can sack. yeah that was my point, but said with much less tact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 jdog said: cj001f said: cracked said:What's your point? Beck didn't even give any 'compelling reasons' against shaped skins other than versatility. I think his point was your just another cc pocket hardman, who sprays far bigger than he can sack. yeah that was my point, but said with much less tact. If I don't know anything, then why are there so many people who agree with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 uhh...cracked, jdog's an "ok" climber, and a wicked skier (his skiing far and away overshadows his climbing)...i don't think you really want to argue tech ski stuff with the guy...it'd be like arguing how to serve w/ Pete Sampras after playing in your first kiddie tourney... just my $0.02...and its only worth that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdog Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 cracked said: jdog said: cj001f said: cracked said:What's your point? Beck didn't even give any 'compelling reasons' against shaped skins other than versatility. I think his point was your just another cc pocket hardman, who sprays far bigger than he can sack. yeah that was my point, but said with much less tact. If I don't know anything, then why are there so many people who agree with me? i am not saying you don't know anything, and i don't necessarily disagree with you, although i have straight skins on shaped skis and get by just fine. it is what works for each individual. what i had a problem with was your smart ass comment/diss to beck, on a valid point i must add, based solely on your own admitted experience off your website. some of us don't want nor have the money for 2 or 3 pairs of skins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cj001f Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 cracked said:If I don't know anything, then why are there so many people who agree with me? Because most of your opinions were formed by reading posts on this and other websites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 cj001f said: cracked said:If I don't know anything, then why are there so many people who agree with me? Because most of your opinions were formed by reading posts on this and other websites? Nice assumption. Feel superior. Feel very superior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 (edited) ***Nazi Moderator*** I was just trying to cut out the cancer that goes by the name of Cracked. The rest of you that posted in here are collateral damage. Sorry to MattP, Ian, and Dave S. Jdog you rule! Don't take any crap from that punk-ass bitch. ***I now return you to pummeling Cracked*** Edited November 7, 2003 by AlpineK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-rock Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 If he is a cancer... cut him out. BTW, the reason you slip when you skin is because you HAVE NO FUCKING TECHNIQUE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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