Fear

[catturdeat]

[RobBob]

He eats horsecock too!

 

[Greg_W]

rbw1966 said:

Greg_W said:

erik said:

i find moore entertaing as i put little effort into digging too deep into any media. but the most important thing he can do is make everyone pause and think for a minute. consider the options and alternatives, irregardless wheter you agree or not. lotsa people took the time to refute what he has to say, so atleast something is working.

 

 

Good logic, Erik. We need some guy to make a movie filled with errors and outright lies and that's A GOOD THING? You're smoking too much pot.

 

Better a movie than an entire administration.

 

Feel free to pick your administration of choice on that one. Do you honestly think they are all lily white?

[Jim]

I would argue the politicians use the fear factor to their advantage when they can. But the republicians are better at it. Don't have to go to far to see the efforts to scare people in the last year - WMDs and terrorists in Iraq (somewhere?), yellow alerts, airport security that is a facade, the Patriot Act. For the republicians there's always some boggieman out there, waiting to get us. So better shovel some more money (read debt) to the military.

 

That interview with Heston was classic. Ask a simple question, get a simple-minded answer.

[incubus]

catturdeat said:

are we boring you, Mr. Turd?

[Greg_W]

erik said:

i could really careless about all you gun owners and how you cry for freedom and the life shit. i could careless!!!

 

"you gun owners"? Last I heard, you were a gun owner too, Erik. If you do truly care so little about freedom, don't bitch when it's gone. Seriously. You bitch about your "lack of freedom" to travel in NF land and the "Tool" and all that. Where is the difference?

[incubus]

Hypocrisy, now there's a touchy subject.

[erik]

the diffrence greg is that the fNF deal has a direct impact on my life, whereas the gun owners rights does not.

 

yes i am a gun owner, i do not brandish that flag or use it as a rally call. i attempt to keep the fact quite(oops on the internet now!!!). the gun was a gift, i did not ask for it nor will i get rid of it, as i understand my rights to own one. i do not see my life being any less if i am not allowed to own high capacity fire arm. i do see my life being less if i am continued to pay and pay and pay touse land in which belongs to all of us.

 

 

 

 

[incubus]

Anxiety and Depressive disorders are the most common of all mental illnesses. Anxiety disorders alone affect more than 19 million American's each year. Both anxiety and depressive illnesses are severe, chronic and extremely impairing to the individuals who are affected by them. Furthermore, they can have a devastating effect on the family members of those suffering from anxiety and depression.

 

 

[Greg_W]

erik said:

the diffrence greg is that the fNF deal has a direct impact on my life, whereas the gun owners rights does not.

 

yes i am a gun owner, i do not brandish that flag or use it as a rally call. i attempt to keep the fact quite(oops on the internet now!!!). the gun was a gift, i did not ask for it nor will i get rid of it, as i understand my rights to own one. i do not see my life being any less if i am not allowed to own high capacity fire arm. i do see my life being less if i am continued to pay and pay and pay touse land in which belongs to all of us.

 

Maybe you should read some history. Read why the Founding Fathers put so much importance on the Second Amendment. It's not about guns, it's about individual freedom and liberty...much like the freedom of speech, or freedom of assembly, or the freedom from illegal search and seizure. They are all connected Erik.

[erik]

are they?

 

i do not see how owning a high capacity hand gun helps attain any of these things.

 

also please tell me why my reasoning is so flawed? or do you agree with the concept that i should be concered with the things that affect my life directly? kinda like the choose your battle lesson we all got as kids.

 

 

[Jim]

WTF are people so afraid about that they need a handgun for "home protection" anyway? Not talking about hunting or target shooting. I hunted when I was younger but lost interest, but see no need to keep a handgun in the house. So what's up?

[j_b]

incubus said:

Does it not seem to you that the principal emotional drive of the liberal establishment is fear? These people seem terribly afraid that somebody might get hurt. Well, somebody might, but that is true totally apart from political considerations and need not be given prominence in our discussions. Fear is not a dignified emotion, and while we must admit that it exists, we must not dignify it as a prime causative agent. Everybody knows fear - what is important is not to let that bother you. This continued journalistic wringing of hands is beneath our dignity. Nothing significant has ever been achieved by men who let apprehension corrode their principles.

 

that's rich. at least come up with your own trolls

 

it's not even worthy of an answer when coming from fear mongers.

 

michael moore is great. odd how all those complaining about some of his overstatements in turn love to hear from the conservative talk shows dittoheads. what a bunch of hypocrites.

[Dru]

Jim said:

WTF are people so afraid about that they need a handgun for "home protection" anyway? Not talking about hunting or target shooting. I hunted when I was younger but lost interest, but see no need to keep a handgun in the house. So what's up?

 

its a method of population control. you let your kids play with it.

[catbirdseat]

If we focus all our attention on gun rights we can lose other rights, for example, civil rights, among them the right to protest and be heard. Did you read about how the Secret Service is being sued by the ACLU because protestors of the Bush Administration have not been allowed to get closer than a half mile of Bush appearances, while Bush supporters are allowed close access.

[incubus]

oh look, it's j_b. now we'll get the real scoop.

[Sphinx]

I'm going to buy a gun and rid myself of this misery.

[vegetablebelay]

You can borrow one of mine.

[Greg_W]

erik said:

are they?

 

i do not see how owning a high capacity hand gun helps attain any of these things.

 

also please tell me why my reasoning is so flawed? or do you agree with the concept that i should be concered with the things that affect my life directly? kinda like the choose your battle lesson we all got as kids.

 

 

As we have discussed in another political thread, there is always the desire to increase government. Also, don't think that high-cap magazines are the issue. It is a stepping stone to banning all handguns - they outright admit it.

 

Your reasoning is flawed because you do no take the time to learn the lessons of history and apply them to current situations. Choose your battles, yes, but defend your rights and convictions. The way you float like a leaf on the wind (despite your girth), I can see you have to convictions. Good luck to you.

[erik]

greg,

 

the only people i see actively trying to remover personal freedoms is asscroft and the rest of bushy co. so it makes me wonder, give up my high capacity hand gun? or allow the fed/state government to enter my life when they deem so, and not when i have done anything wrong.

 

so far i have really enjoyed the new security at the airport. about had to remove my pants as they had metal buttons on them. luckily with enough grooping of my package mr security agent got what he needed!

 

so i do not see how you can claim the libs to be so activly erroding the constitutional rights, when the conservs are pushing so hard for it??

 

 

[minx]

erik said:

greg,

 

the only people i see actively trying to remover personal freedoms is asscroft and the rest of bushy co. so it makes me wonder, give up my high capacity hand gun? or allow the fed/state government to enter my life when they deem so, and not when i have done anything wrong.

 

so far i have really enjoyed the new security at the airport. about had to remove my pants as they had metal buttons on them. luckily with enough grooping of my package mr security agent got what he needed!

 

so i do not see how you can claim the libs to be so activly erroding the constitutional rights, when the conservs are pushing so hard for it??

 

 

damn it i hate to agree with erik again but he's on the money here. i love the willy nilly way that repubs have gone about restricting our personal freedoms.

 

i also loved standing half naked in a the denver airport waiting for a female screener b/c i happen to wear an underwire bra this after going to the extreme of only carrying my ID, ticket and a book to make the screening process easier.

[incubus]

minx said:

i also loved standing half naked in a the denver airport waiting for a female screener b/c i happen to wear an underwire bra

Minx, my girl has some heavy D's too and has given up the underwire for a nice Victoria Secret cross halter job. Food for thought?

 

-incubus

[Greg_W]

erik said:

so i do not see how you can claim the libs to be so activly erroding the constitutional rights, when the conservs are pushing so hard for it??

 

 

This is because you are completely unaware.

[JayB]

I caught about 5 minutes of BFC last night, by which time I had quite enough of his attempt to exploit the slaughter at Columbine High for his own purposes. His attempt to argue that the town of Littleton essentially brought the slaughter on itself by encouraging Raytheon to locate some of their operations there was especially nauseating.

[erik]

Greg_W said:

erik said:

so i do not see how you can claim the libs to be so activly erroding the constitutional rights, when the conservs are pushing so hard for it??

 

 

This is because you are completely unaware.

 

make me so then. i am always interested.