Gaston_Lagaffe Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 Just got an intersting link sent to me. Anyone willing to prove this isn't true? Turn your volume down if you're at work. Quote
Szyjakowski Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 damn it. i thought it was gonna be a link to downloading the new radiohead.... yup bushy cheated...old news. Quote
Fence_Sitter Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 i loved teh conclusions that were drawn by the statistics... but if it is true and they got away with it...that's some pretty funny stuff... just wonder why some hip-hop video is the first source for it...kinda negates the validity... Quote
Gaston_Lagaffe Posted June 3, 2003 Author Posted June 3, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: i loved teh conclusions that were drawn by the statistics... but if it is true and they got away with it...that's some pretty funny stuff... just wonder why some hip-hop video is the first source for it...kinda negates the validity... Â I tend to agree on the hip-hop video. The whole thing is just a little too "loud" in my opinion; and I'm not just talking about the music, if you know what I mean. Quote
Fence_Sitter Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 Szyjakowski said: damn it. i thought it was gonna be a link to downloading the new radiohead.... yup bushy cheated...old news. Â yeah me too...but i ahve the singles CD adn it is killer...kinda a cross between OK comp. and kid A with a lil' amnesiac tossed in for good measure... Quote
Gaston_Lagaffe Posted June 3, 2003 Author Posted June 3, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: Szyjakowski said: damn it. i thought it was gonna be a link to downloading the new radiohead.... yup bushy cheated...old news. Â yeah me too...but i ahve the singles CD adn it is killer...kinda a cross between OK comp. and kid A with a lil' amnesiac tossed in for good measure... Â Did I hear right that they'll be playing in Seattle sometime this year? Quote
Fence_Sitter Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 if they do i am there... i am a lifelong fan! Quote
Szyjakowski Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 idont know....did ya hear right? 6-13-03 my last day of work and the release of hail to the theif... Quote
Gaston_Lagaffe Posted June 3, 2003 Author Posted June 3, 2003 Szyjakowski said: idont know....did ya hear right? 6-13-03 my last day of work and the release of hail to the theif... Â I'm not 100% sure. I was channel surfing on the radio when I caught "Radiohead" and Seattle". Since I was driving, I wasn't quick enough to switch back and hear the rest. Quote
Fence_Sitter Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 jordop said: Don't worry, Hef says it's crap http://www.greenplastic.com/news/dusty/000569.php  yeah and he said Kid A and Amnesiac was crap too... really gonna follow him on this one too... Quote
JoshK Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 Independent of the presentation, the stats presented are true. I'm not sure if it would have made the difference or not, but what went on in Florida was illegal, plain and simple. If you can't smell out the good ol' boy shit that went on down there, you're a fucking idiot. Quote
Sphinx Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 "independent investigators determined that the list was 95% inaccurate" Â Yeah, and independent labs verify Marmot's "900 fill" down. You liberal whiners never admit you're wrong, do you? Â Let's watch Bush win again in a few months. Quote
Fence_Sitter Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 quit with the thread drift...this is about radiohead! Quote
Sphinx Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 JoshK said: Independent of the presentation, the stats presented are true. I'm not sure if it would have made the difference or not, but what went on in Florida was illegal, plain and simple. If you can't smell out the good ol' boy shit that went on down there, you're a fucking idiot. Â You should be more cynical. It's old news that politicians are full of shit, no matter what party they're on. They do what will get them elected, not what it right, or what they believe in. Human nature. Deal with it. Too bad that Gore didn't figure out a better way to cheat than Bush...you losers would be happy. Quote
JoshK Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 Sphinx said: JoshK said: Independent of the presentation, the stats presented are true. I'm not sure if it would have made the difference or not, but what went on in Florida was illegal, plain and simple. If you can't smell out the good ol' boy shit that went on down there, you're a fucking idiot. Â You should be more cynical. It's old news that politicians are full of shit, no matter what party they're on. They do what will get them elected, not what it right, or what they believe in. Human nature. Deal with it. Too bad that Gore didn't figure out a better way to cheat than Bush...you losers would be happy. Â Please provide proof of another U.S. presidential election in which the final result was directly affected by corrupt inter-party election manipulation. Go ahead, I'm waiting. Quote
glen Posted June 3, 2003 Posted June 3, 2003 but if it is true and they got away with it...that's some pretty funny stuff... just wonder why some hip-hop video is the first source for it...kinda negates the validity.. Â Actually, a reporter from the BBC has been following up on this for a while. He actually went to the public records and got ahold of the correct memos that document (implicate if you choose) Harris and Jeb Bush's involvement and direct knowledge of the inaccuracy and bias (anti-democrat) of the voter rolls. There are also issues of public access to public documents as the only way he was able to get the memos was when a person at the records office was sick and a fill-in worker who didn't know what to hide gave it to him. The reporter then put together a documentary including interviews and documents. Guess what? None of the major media outlets in the US would touch it. Not a one. I wonder why? Maybe Noam Chomsky is right.... Â As to telling people that politicians are crooked and just deal with it... THAT makes me want to puke. If patriotism is wanting what's best for your country, then accepting lies about something this important (fundamental tool of a voting republic is voting) as OK from leadership complacently, and even voting for them again is not patriotic. That applies equally to democrats and republicans. Integrity is not a partisan issue. Â Quote
Fairweather Posted June 4, 2003 Posted June 4, 2003 JoshK, Â Don't forget to plug Democrat election 2000 misdeeds in Missouri, Wisconsin, Illinois, into your formula. Â I thought the Miami Hearlad settled the Florida matter. Â ...except for a few hard core Bush-hater fringe kooks, it seems! Quote
JoshK Posted June 4, 2003 Posted June 4, 2003 Again, I said US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. Also, please elaborate on your claims. The Miami Herald settled nothing in my opinion. What katherine harris pulled in floriday, not even touching the disenfranchisement (is that a word?) of less than wealthy and many non-white voters in that state was a fucking disgrace. Quote
Fairweather Posted June 4, 2003 Posted June 4, 2003 I'm talking about the PRESIDENTIAL election. How about the Dem's leaving the polls open for two hours after they were supposed to close in Missouri? How about Democratic activists "helping" nursing home patients by collecting their blank absentee ballots (by the thousands) and then helping them further by filling them out. Let's not forget the "paid" bus rides to the poles given by Democrat activists. (an illegal activity) Lets not forget the ongoing election-fraud-machine in the great state of Illinois. Specifically the "dead folks-can-still-vote" Mayor Daily Democrat fraud machine. Â "Disenfranchised"? Last time I checked, convicted felons in Florida weren't allowed to vote. Â Why don't you just accept the fact: GW BUSH IS PRESIDENT. HE WAS ELECTED UNDER THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM PRESCRIBED BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. AL GORE IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. HE WOULD BE PRESIDENT TODAY IF YOU/THOSE LIKE YOU HADN'T VOTED FOR RALPH NADER. MARTIN SHEEN IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. NOAM CHOMPSKY IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. THE ELECTION IS OVER. GIVE IT A REST. Quote
Dru Posted June 4, 2003 Posted June 4, 2003 Fairweather said: I'm talking about the PRESIDENTIAL election. How about the Dem's leaving the polls open for two hours after they were supposed to close in Missouri? How about Democratic activists "helping" nursing home patients by collecting their blank absentee ballots (by the thousands) and then helping them further by filling them out. Let's not forget the "paid" bus rides to the poles given by Democrat activists. (an illegal activity) Lets not forget the ongoing election-fraud-machine in the great state of Illinois. Specifically the "dead folks-can-still-vote" Mayor Daily Democrat fraud machine. Â "Disenfranchised"? Last time I checked, convicted felons in Florida weren't allowed to vote. Â Why don't you just accept the fact: GW BUSH IS PRESIDENT. HE WAS ELECTED UNDER THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM PRESCRIBED BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. AL GORE IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. HE WOULD BE PRESIDENT TODAY IF YOU/THOSE LIKE YOU HADN'T VOTED FOR RALPH NADER. MARTIN SHEEN IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. NOAM CHOMPSKY IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. THE ELECTION IS OVER. GIVE IT A REST. Â ...we all know MICHAEL MOORE is the President Quote
JoshK Posted June 4, 2003 Posted June 4, 2003 Fairweather said: I'm talking about the PRESIDENTIAL election. How about the Dem's leaving the polls open for two hours after they were supposed to close in Missouri? How about Democratic activists "helping" nursing home patients by collecting their blank absentee ballots (by the thousands) and then helping them further by filling them out. Let's not forget the "paid" bus rides to the poles given by Democrat activists. (an illegal activity) Lets not forget the ongoing election-fraud-machine in the great state of Illinois. Specifically the "dead folks-can-still-vote" Mayor Daily Democrat fraud machine. Â "Disenfranchised"? Last time I checked, convicted felons in Florida weren't allowed to vote. Â Why don't you just accept the fact: GW BUSH IS PRESIDENT. HE WAS ELECTED UNDER THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM PRESCRIBED BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. AL GORE IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. HE WOULD BE PRESIDENT TODAY IF YOU/THOSE LIKE YOU HADN'T VOTED FOR RALPH NADER. MARTIN SHEEN IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. NOAM CHOMPSKY IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. THE ELECTION IS OVER. GIVE IT A REST. Â Keeping polls open for those who have already arrived at the polling station to register a vote is perfectly legal last time I checked. Â Illegally harassing LEGAL BLACK CITIZEN VOTERS for a second piece of ID in order to raise the bar for voting is NOT LEGAL. Â GWB is the president, and it's a shame, but the fact remains that what went on in Florida was the most sinister corruption of presidential voting that has EVER taken place in this country, and the one instance in which the actions of a few VERY LIKELY changed the course of an entire presidential election. Â Relax, fairweather, you repubs got your way. You got a bunch of nice new tax cuts that benifit the middle and upper classes and screw the poor to prove it. Just be thankful. Quote
Jim Posted June 4, 2003 Posted June 4, 2003 Very good book on the subject of Bush's activities in Florida. It ran in the UK press, but you'll see little of it in the mainstream US press. Â http://www.ubcpress.ubc.ca/company/press/palastPR.pdf Quote
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