allthumbs Posted February 28, 2003 Share Posted February 28, 2003 Thinking on getting one. Are they any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 28, 2003 Share Posted February 28, 2003 how much you hoping to get on the car trade-in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 28, 2003 Author Share Posted February 28, 2003 Yeah, I know they're $280. That's not the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted February 28, 2003 Share Posted February 28, 2003 they are real good but you could wear a schoeller jacket over long underwear for about the same performance and weight, and save about $100-150........ not as sexy though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alasdair Posted February 28, 2003 Share Posted February 28, 2003 I had one and it got ripped off. It was the best peice of gear i have owned for a while. I was really bummed and decided I needed another so I went to MEC and bought an almost identical sholler jacket for $130 canadian. Dont waste your money on the Arc Teryx logo, because that is all you get for the extra money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 28, 2003 Author Share Posted February 28, 2003 Dru said: they are real good but you could wear a schoeller jacket over long underwear for about the same performance and weight, and save about $100-150........ not as sexy though! Whenever I skimp on shit I'm bummed. Redmond has them. I'm gonna go check em out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted February 28, 2003 Share Posted February 28, 2003 Another option would be Beyond Fleece's Cold Fusion softshell. About $100 bucks cheaper, and custom. I really want one. Check them out at www.beyondfleece.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 28, 2003 Author Share Posted February 28, 2003 Thanks for the advice. I'm getting the Gamma Lt. without the insulation. I'm always too damn hot. Adiós Gore-tex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted February 28, 2003 Share Posted February 28, 2003 my next major disoucnted purchase will be the arcteryz diplomat st. that thing is soo pimp!! Â trask i think it would match your style and flair perfectly!! Â check it out!! Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted February 28, 2003 Share Posted February 28, 2003 trask said: Thanks for the advice. I'm getting the Gamma Lt. without the insulation. I'm always too damn hot. Adiós Gore-tex  Trask, you stylishly well-equipped (in the outerwear sense, pervo) beast, you. DFA has been lusting after the Gamma MX for a while, but almost 3 bills is a bit much for any piece of clothing, let alone a glorified fleece jacket. Hopefully you don't freeze your ass off in that flimsy Gamma LT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 28, 2003 Author Share Posted February 28, 2003 I tried on the MX and it was so tit. But, too warm. So I got the LT and it's damn nice too. "I'm too sexy for my hat.....bwahahaha" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric8 Posted February 28, 2003 Share Posted February 28, 2003 Yeah, I suppose i would get hot too, if only wore my jacket when spraying and walking around town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 28, 2003 Author Share Posted February 28, 2003 LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemon Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 trask said: Whenever I skimp on shit I'm bummed. Redmond has them. I'm gonna go check em out. Â I'm the same way and it really bums me out. Well, off to find a rope before I pass on the habit to my kids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distel32 Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 I have a gamma sv, essentially the same as the mx just "last years" jacket, thing is awesome! you can find them for cheap too, at second ascent I think I saw some of the arcteryx fleeces for around 150-80, well that's not cheap, but cheaper than you will find them at rei or feathered friends! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted March 3, 2003 Share Posted March 3, 2003 gamma SV is much thicker and heavier material than gamma MX. both are Malden Powershield but the Mx is "Powershield Lite" which is much thinner fleecy material on the inner  SV is warmth wise, like schoeller over 200 fleece in one piece, maybe a bit heavier but more breathable than the combo of the 2. MX is like schoeller over underwear... in terms of thickness and weight.  SV fabric must weigh at least 50% more thanMX ( i say that not looking at the catalog). i would guess overall (including zippers etc) the MX is 25%-30% lighter than the SV. also less warm so more 3-season versatility. SV is really a winter thing only. too hot to wear climbing at smoke bluffs on sunny day in february.  gamma LT is just a schoeller dynamic, no fleece. MEC has the Pamir, which is more or less equivalent to the SV bib/jacket. they also have an even thicker, heavier line called the Composite, which has thicker fleece on the inside. serious winter use only i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordop Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 Dru said: gamma SV is much thicker and heavier material than gamma MX. both are Malden Powershield but the Mx is "Powershield Lite" which is much thinner fleecy material on the inner  SV is warmth wise, like schoeller over 200 fleece in one piece, maybe a bit heavier but more breathable than the combo of the 2. MX is like schoeller over underwear... in terms of thickness and weight.  SV fabric must weigh at least 50% more thanMX ( i say that not looking at the catalog). i would guess overall (including zippers etc) the MX is 25%-30% lighter than the SV. also less warm so more 3-season versatility. SV is really a winter thing only. too hot to wear climbing at smoke bluffs on sunny day in february.  gamma LT is just a schoeller dynamic, no fleece. MEC has the Pamir, which is more or less equivalent to the SV bib/jacket. they also have an even thicker, heavier line called the Composite, which has thicker fleece on the inside. serious winter use only i guess.  MEC Composite dies not stretch at all and is a waste of time. MEC Pamir is the deal of the century.  You could always go to the new Arc'Teryx factory store and get 35% off for crap with missing velcro or stiching that goes two inches over the seam and back. But then there's no warranty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted March 4, 2003 Author Share Posted March 4, 2003 Guys, it's all moot. I bought the gamma Lt. It's schoeller dynamic with no fleece. I like to layer, so this fucker is perfect. I own a bunch of Arc'teryx shit and really like the one-of-a-kind quality, fit & attention to detail, not to mention it's made in B.C., our 51st. state. I don't really give a shit if it costs more. You only go around once and you get what you pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 jordop said: You could always go to the new Arc'Teryx factory store and get 35% off for crap with missing velcro or stiching that goes two inches over the seam and back. But then there's no warranty  Where's the Arc'teryx factory store? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordop Posted March 4, 2003 Share Posted March 4, 2003 (edited) Quote Attitude said: Quote jordop said: You could always go to the new Arc'Teryx factory store and get 35% off for crap with missing velcro or stiching that goes two inches over the seam and back. But then there's no warranty  Where's the Arc'teryx factory store?  . Edited June 15, 2021 by jordop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted March 8, 2003 Share Posted March 8, 2003 To bring this thread back from the dead...I already posted that I want a durable softshell for abraisionful activities where I don't have to carry the thing in a pack for hours to get to the climb. One thing I'm worried about: how windproof is Powershield, Scholler WB 400, etc? I would go with something like the Patagucci Dimension, but I want to be able to layer under a rain jacket when it starts raining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Beck Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 Scholler WB-400 is the hands down winner for winter all mountian use- chair lifts or skinning all day, the WB-400 fabric is a great winter fabric. Too warm for summer, but an incredible, strechy, all-in-one layer. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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