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I agree. It is about you ... but it is also about your other friends too. You need to heal, but they do as well. Having everyone together lets everyone know that you are there not only for your deceased frind, but for those that are still around. Maybe one day you'll need them. A hard choice....one that is your's and your's alone.

Cirpich: Check out this bag, warm, but still very light. Moonstone Lucid Or Hydrogen Just a suggestion.

It seems to me, and maybe I'm wrong, the higher loft is better for summr bags as well. It takes less high loft down to get to the bag's degrere rating, and as such should be a lighter bag and more compressible. (Is it that it takes less or that the same volume amount weighs less?) I'm not a down professor, but it seems to me that a 650-fill 30 degree would be heavier than a 900-fill 30 degree (Assuming all else is the same). Anyone conform this? Or debunk me?

Its been a while since I've been on it....but my recollection is that more than a few of the "bolts" are going, very slowly, but going.

But, but, but..... I would hardly call that sport climbing though. I doubt many, if any sportos would either.

P2: Touchee.... Really, I have NO problem at all with sport climbing. I'll clip bolts and will push harder on bolts than I do on trad. That doesn't mean that my trad climbing is whimpy. My trad climbing is whimpy...because I suck. But I have fun at both. Though, I am not a sporto kind of guy, I do enjoy it as a sport. Comparing them is kind of doing the aples to oranges thing. What I am COMPLETELY against is bolting lines that are protectable, especially in trad areas and alpine areas. Just have a good time, be safe, and enviro friendly.

I agree....but....do you learn it by hang dogging on sport routes and relying on bomber fixed gear, like bolts?

Bolts..... Bolts... Don't like it, don't climb it.....

Hmmm...maybe they have a problem with US foreign policy and take the position that US policy is too violent and forces US will on others around the world...so in order to counter it they attack defenseless Americans, using violence and trying to force their position on others... Real peacenicks. This isn’t Canadians, and its not Canada. . ..it’s a bunch of assholes.

My understanding is that it has more to do with logistics than anything else. When you consider start up costs to open booths and gate entranvces and then the cost to man them, the visitorship has to AT LEAST support those costs. You can drive through the main road in the tetons for free (can't remember the number), but you must pay to enter the inner drive to get to any park services. I actually think that there are portions of the Smokies that you can enter without payment as well, but they also have no services.

Me too.... Mountain Masters have done me right thus far....and lasted in part because I only wear them on climbs. Wear them around town and the sticky rubber will liley wear fast.

Wouldn't by chance be from GW's home state, would he? Or is it a true friction climb?

Oh the campgrounds will be a part of the whole thing alright, in fact they'll receive MAJOR renovation as they are plowed under and condos, resturants, and other structures are built upon the campgrounds. God damn, I hope I'm dead wrong. I have nothing against the games themselves...just all the crap that comes along with them.

I'm stang away too!!!

Great technique

Is walmart changing its stripes? Would mom and pop do this? No more discrimination Just couldn't let this thread die. Now, all of you, lets

Check your PMs.

ERIK is correct. It gets stupid out-a-control. There are some turn offs that might work, but don't expect any room if it is a big concert with lots of hippie wanna-bes.

Yes, but only for aviation use!!!

Oh, I agree with that. I have seen more than a couple of guys get really frustrated when some 5ft 6in 125lb chick just smokes them....but I think the majority of guys get over it. I have found climbing to be very humbling.

Is it just me, or are the Euros more into the numbers game and rankings than Americans and Canucks, or at least than those of us in the PNW? Not saying we are superior or anything. Maybe its just that I'm not a sporto and Americans and canucks are into the numbers more than I realize. Either way climbing .

I have used one tennis shoe with three tennis balls at the same time, and had no problems. I agree that if your bag is damaged by tennis balls, it is shit and the wash cycle would likely do more damage. I checked it every 15 minutes or so and did my best to break up the clumps and loft it up to speed the drying. It sucks . But you'll get over it. Like I said, pick a rainy day and get a twelve pack. Mid to late November is usally the time to kill a weekend without missing quality climb time.

I purchased a small bottle of down detergent from Feathered Friends a c while back. Since you only use a small amount it has lasted a long time. It was not expensive. It is very time consuming to dry the bag/coat. (Though my down sweater/puffy dries quickly on tumble with very low heat in the home dryer). Put an old tenis shoe and or a couple of tennis balls in the dryer with the bag. Use a large front loader to wash...and a large front loding dryer too. I am so paranoid that some place will screw my bag up, so I wash it myself on a rainy fall day , to wet to climb alpine, to cold for the eastern crags and not enough snow on high. Good luck with it.....

"Bake a pie , eat a pie." Al Bundy