sobo

hmmmm. I, uhhh, see your point...

Sweet! Just out of curiosity, anything going on on the 17th? I will find myself over in Raymond that day on bidness, wrapping up around 3-ish. Tenino doesn't look that far out of the way on the return trip... Edited to add: "Holy shit! I went back and started at the beginning of this thread. Your wall is too hard for my fat old bacon-eatin' butt now that I've got a kid and never get out anymore except for family crap."

I've used them on the Appalachian Trail years ago, and they tended to work well for black bears and wild cats (I had run into several bears and a few cats before using them, none afterward, so I make my conclusion based upon that evidence alone). I haven't used them out West at all. The bells didn't seem to have any effect on the boars in the Great Smoky Mountains section of the trail, though... You just wanna be sure you're off the trail and in a (fenced) shelter by dark.

I'm no attorney, but I'm reasonably sure that a lawyer could have gotten your friend out of that rap. Isn't there something about an LEO making someone do something that the LEO knows to be illegal? TLG? mattp?

ever seen these? mebbe they work, mebbe they just give the critters some dinner music...

Of course it would. Too many people make restrictive blanket statements without considering the specific situation. Would I send someone back down alone from LR's Thumb Rock? Of course not. Would I send someone back down alone from Hood's Hogsback? Of course, and have. It is all situation-dependent, as are most things.

classic!

Oh, yes. That route, in a melted out state, is the veritable definition of "choss-slog" in these here parts.

This thread started out discussing cam lube, but also addressed cleaning tips. Chelle's tip (use Simple Green cleaner) and NOLSe's tip (exercise actions in boiling water - used welding gloves!) worked best for me, followed by (in my case) Metolius Cam Lube and much exercising of the spring action after application. All of my cams and biners got a bath this past winter, on a weekend with nothing else to do, and they've been working like new.

Seriously, though, I have never "bagged and tagged" a partner. I have, however, sent them back down the hill if it was clear that they weren't going to be able to stick it out. I just catch up to them later on the descent. My motto is to keep them moving. Newton's Laws of Motion and all that, ya know.

Simple, it ups your summit count. Ask Divot.

I have found that if you log in the first time you visit the site, and don't close your browser, then if you go off surfing and then return to the site, even though it says "you are not logged in", just click on any of the other tabs besides "Log In" (like Main Index, Active Topics, Who's Online, etc.) and you will go there and find that you are, in fact, still logged in. Does that help to clear it up any?

What Off_White, cook, and shapp all said: Banks!

wes, why don't you come up and join us? Bring Rob. Apeman is Rob's buddy from days of yore.

subterfuge...

I thought that was Chaps. Olyclimber has his name taped to the front of his helmet.

D00d, I still think we should just go to Clearwater...

You should never have let this group hear you say that...

The sun is a mass of incandescent gas A gigantic nuclear furnace Where hydrogen is built into helium At a temperature of millions of degrees Yo ho, it's hot, the sun is not A place where we could live But here on earth there'd be no life Without the light it gives Oh, wrong thread again...

So the sun is a planet now? Crikey, all that money wasted on those astronomy lecture tapes...

Really! Why would anyone want to spend that kind of money for such a limited use opportunity? If all you're ever going to use it for is toproping, go buy some static line by the foot and don't ever mix it in with your other crap.

shit, charge him for it if'n he hasn't offered to buy you a new one by now.

so, how goes the books?

oly, see post in "watch your head" thread. Mebbe you already read it this weekend.

olyclimber stated: sobo replied: A little review of my materials indicates that in the spring of 1644, Li Zicheng, a leader of the largest army of the Manchus, a multi-ethnic alliance formed by a Jurchen named Nurhaci from northern China, attacks and captures Beijing, and sets himself up in a new dynasty called the Qing. The last Ming emperor committed suicide by hanging, rather than be captured by Li. The remnants of this last emporer's court fled south to Nanjing. The Qing conquered all of China over the next ~20 years, finally catching up with the Ming court in exile, and capturing the last of the Ming princes and executing them in 1660. The remaining Ming loyalists, now without a hereditary leader, retreated to what is today Taiwan and created a fortified retreat there, continuing to purport that they were the legitimate rulers of China, until in 1683, the last of the challengers were "suppressed" by the Qing.