erik

you are right the worst time of the year for the valely is between jan 1 all the way till dec 31..... actually june is a great month........and the myht of it boing too hot is from people who only want to do certain routes and have little sense of adventure....the valley holds many special places and routes and people, enjoy before the park service and disneyland destry it even more...... (note to people) i know i am too one of the many problems the valley faces, these things called human beings are very destructive and selfish...protect yourself from them....they are leachorus....

i think we need to grid bolt the cliff worthy routes or not.....after all the quarrying to get to good face holds and mass of people at the base of the cliff should be enough to scare the birdies away forever!!!!!!!!!!! then we will be closer to achieving sport mecca!!!!!!!! allah allah clip stick!!!!!! that or we can repsec the natural enviroment that we have the privlage to experince and give the nesting birds a chance to live their life in peace without the disruption of selfish people...... this is a cross post!

i think we need to grid bolt the cliff worthy routes or not.....after all the quarrying to get to good face holds and mass of people at the base of the cliff should be enough to scare the birdies away forever!!!!!!!!!!! then we will be closer to achieving sport mecca!!!!!!!! allah allah clip stick!!!!!! that or we can repsec the natural enviroment that we have the privlage to experince and give the nesting birds a chance to live their life in peace without the disruption of selfish people...... this is a cross post!

quote: Originally posted by Dru: I will tick it off right after me and Erik do our long overdue "Bare Breasts on Bears Breast" expedition. Potential sponsors and breast barers welcome. Erik will send you an application form if you send him a pm. yes that is part of the pop star high alpine traverse planned for this summer......britney, christina, mariah(yes i know it is choss heap), mandy, tiffany and belinda...... this has been a dream for me for like 6 or 7 seconds!!!!!! and i alredy have recieved somewhere around like 300 apps, hurry spots for financial contibutors is running out fast.......we need to reach our goal of a life of ease soon.....!!!

quote: Originally posted by Charlie: Erik, I'm sure that you know a debate is just that and nothing more- Next time we run into each other I know we will give each other the same friendly greetings as usual. you know it baby....holding grudges is for the weak of mind and spirit!!!! long live fun!!!!

quote: Originally posted by CascadeClimber: I have done some guiding myself. . rule #1 dont admit you've done guideing rule #2 dont guide

well i just wanted to say that i had another great weekend....with almost all new cc.comers... went to smith and have not a complaint, there appeared to be lots of people there, but with a little hiking we succesfully left them behind..... and all i have to say is that the best route at smith is tremon delerium.....and wonderful hand crack and if it had been granite i would say one of the top routes on my list.......period fun people:dru(as always)fernallisonvalpinekannaand a young chap named allistor....... and if i had to base the greatness of the weekend on anyone thing....it would be my suntan!!!!!!!!

i also have bivi accomadations!!!

it will be at the spar in old town tacoma....... very easy to find http://www.the-spar.com/

gawdblessamerica [ 04-03-2002: Message edited by: erik ]

quote: Originally posted by Matt Anderson: beta? .10c my ass. Or are you just trollin?Matt yeah i thought it was all of .10d...........and i dont like fishin.........

when in doubt run it out...............

and another thing keith, is that there has been a guidebook for the coulee since the early 80's........thats no excuse........ people need to learn how to respect the enviroment instead of expecting the enviroment to respect them............ and i am not perfect, but i am confident!!!

keith, 1st of all you can go f*^Kyourself saying that i am the hanger thief......your opinion is now void......your smily faces only shows the fact that it is void....... i work hard to help maintain a crag and would do so at vantage if that were my place local crag........... thanks for all the lessons on how the more poeple that come the bigger the impact....no shit....... and charlie about your car theft deal...if someone feels the need to steal my stereo then go for it....what is done is done.....me dwelling on that fact that some worthless p.o.s. wants my car stereo only allows that persons actions to control me....why do i want to be controled by a crack addict with theft problem.........and i have car insurance, i will not replace but they will.........and anyways it is a poor analogy and i will tell you why.......the stereo theft only affects me.....the removal of hangers and rap stations affects more people.........isolated and non isolated....... i say leave all the damn shit alone there, cuz in replacing those stations you do not validate the theft, but feed the issue.....you are giving a person whom probably wants a reaction their desired effect, there for you are feeding the problem not correcting it..........correcting the problem would be to find the person and kick his ass...... like i have said, i have been there the last few weeks and have watched the what has been i going on, people are making due without the rap stations, there is a sunshie wall/ king pin rap station, it is above chossmaster...... granted like mr cramer said, the fccc's idea to place stations on cliff tops to eleviate the trampling of this area is a sound one, but where are they?? the existing anchors on the cliff are old, albeit the new ones above chossmaster...... another thing about the fccc is how do we know what they are doing to help??? i tried to get on their chat board thingy on yahoo and found it a waste of time..might just be me....maybe i cannot figure it out??? the area of vantage is not a pristine one and it has been abused well before anyone ever considered it as climbing area......i love the desert enviroment and vatage holds a special place for me, but it is what it is........... the funny thing it is a hunting unit, but there is nothing there to hunt except for piegons.....do you people not think that attempting to change the status of the land is a viable option??? actions fix actions

quote: Originally posted by KeithKSchultz: I have to agree with Charlie. It's just a matter of time before the state comes up with some excuse to charge for the use of the area like developed camping or some other bullshit excuse. The more we can minimize our impacts, the less we will appear on their radar. good idea, just stop climbing there..... people we do not need to turn every place into somewhere where everyone can go...... 10 yrs ago when i started climbing there, there was no rap stations or mass grid bolting.....i do not think that rap stations will fix the problem....having people not climbing there will lesson the impact... now we have two stupid ideas here....... leave vantage alone and deal with what is out there...... and no more fixed installations.......

the fat beer guzzler sends again!!!!!! i'll but ya the next round!!!!

just get daryl cramer's sky valley rock.....it's just a crag, you know the rating, you know how to hikeup there....nuff said....... i think asking for beta on crag routes is stupid..plus your attmept to create some sort of online guide to index on the rockclimbing.com webpage indicates that you already have the ability to copy the beta verbatium from the guidebook....is that not called plagerism.....? just go climb it...... and heres the beta, i'll quit ranting... its graniteits beautifulthey are all proud routes.

quote: Originally posted by lizard brain: If Steve REALLY wants to be bold, he'll come to Pub Club. HEH! i'll buy him around or two!!!! plus who wants to go to the alpinist meeting with me???? i wanna talk to mclane......... ill drive and drink, but who knows in what order!!!!

quote: Originally posted by Charlie: Just thought I'd ad a note here. If anyone could bring some slings/rings or chain/coldshuts next time they go to vantage that would be cool. I added hangers,slings,rings to the rap station above steel grill/bobs your uncle(the only rap station in the area) and some confused individual took the slings and rings off. I'm not going to replace them again, but is they were replaced by someone, it would make things a lot more convenient in that area. Also, the same needs to be done to the party in your pants area (someone took my rings/slings there too. Thanks, Charlie hey charlie.....i've been over at vantage last couple weekends and have been climbing da cracks.....i personlly think right now there is a decent balance with the rap set ups.....you dont get too......i know it seems like a pain, but come on this aint burger king ya dont get it your way all the time... walk off it aint that bad, and to note there is a new mega rap station above chossmater...use that if ya dont wont to walk.....leave everything else alone for a while........ thats my take on it... enjoy

bob treatin ya right!!!!

whats your point??

whats you point???

i think we need to keep all the bullshit outta here.....ya do it again it might disappear.... go to spray he is trying to be nice and i am going to stop being nice...if you guys are not nice.....

think moon rocks.....

i cannot believe how many of you missed the message in the post.....well cept for cleesther in some sort of sick way got it..... nesta was nothing about advocating violence towards anyone....... oh well.......!?