erik

YEAH DOOD THANKS FOR ALL THE GREEN'S!!!!

the more important question is how much longer is skate creek rd and chinook pass open till? the weather is good there almost always there, tho it does get quite cold at times. but there are some south facing sport climbing areas you could climb at.

It would seem that a responsible climber would first ask, "In what way would a new sport route actually improve the climbing and aesthetics of this crag?" You might then follow this with, "How will other climbers (or other recreational users of the area) react to establishing a sport route here?" When considering this question, one should also research the line to ascertain whether it has been climbed previously without bolts, either as a bold lead or perhaps as an established toprope problem. I don't think we are responding adequately to the original question in this thread. The question was not, "How do I place a bolt?" Rather, it appears that a climber who hasn't actively developed sport routes is curious about the ENTIRE process. I can't believe that not one person on this site has suggested that the very decision to establish a sport route must be carefully scrutinized prior to drilling. i addressed your concern in my second posting. aesthics of the area are important, but one moust look with reason to see prior and future useage beyond simply it looking nice. for the forrest service that is not a concern on their part unless it benefits them in anyway. resonsibile bolts are rarely an issue, but as with all things there are two sides. both are always correct and both can do more harm then good in quabbling over the pointless fact that both have egos that stand in the way of reason. so sure all those things need to be considered.

i dont think it is closed till febuary. feb-jul

i really think layton jumping thru the FLAMING hoop really said some things to me. it appeared to be his call for attention and at the same time he was emerging from the FLAMING hoop as a new man, an open man, one who has had his ego burned off one who has accepted his FLAMINGNESS.

he's bob

i took bob to donner summit one day. he doesn't talk shit about climbing anymore. we started up some easier stuff at first to get him comfortable and learning some fo thetechniques required. built his ego up a bit made him think climbing was easy...then we moved to a steeper fist crack and then a finger crack. he was soooo wasted after climbing those two short routes that he went to bed when we got home.

BOY AM I PISSED THAT I MISSED THE PUKING..THO SEEING LAYTON'S BOITOI'S JUMP THRU THE FLAMING HOOP WAS CLASSIC!

check this thread theres a pic i think from august or sept i think? looks kinda like quite the challenge without the ice. have fun and watch out for rock fall!

i thought it was phone calls from the dead? and in the country? i would look it up but my SKY VALLEY ROCK guide book has gone amis!

note to self: don't invite layton on any roadtrip hasn't that been obvious from the get go?

ursa yeah i think with enough tr sessioning you will not need to tinker with the placements. that is another reason why it is usually best to get enough opinions. tho i think that alot of boltplacement is natural if the route is sessioned enought b4 hand. and you are right, the less holes the better.

bacon and eggs

what do you mean josh? trask has already shared his enlightend point of view:

read this please.

it aint over dude. dont let the weak asses tell you anything different. i climb every month all year long and in washinton too! ever wonder why alot of these people dont get anything done?

lock down leashes the twisting one aint too bad either for mostly alpine

and your brain the smallest

you have to go to the very top and rap down installing the hardware as you go or you can aid up a or the feature and install the hardware. why ya askin? if you r are thinking about putting some routes in, i would do lotsa thinking about the need and peoples desire for new routes. mostly ask yourself: is it worth it to other people? will other climb it? cause putting up a good route is alot of work and why waste your time if no one ever climbs it.

attractive price but it appears to be only a 3 season tent but truthfully most cascade climbers dont need more then a 3 season tent.

hell yeah they do. driving around in that ford f350 all night being dicks to whomever. they are the fucking rudest old people in the world

lacate proj rap to inspect possibilites do some cleaning do some more cleaning rehearse on top rop more reheasing spend many many many many many hours thinking about well thoughtout bolt placements rap and clean mark possible bolt placements tr and pretend to clip have many others do the same gather input on bolt placement and spacing tr and clean drill install hardware share with the world

hahaha trask=meatbeater