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jasom, that is what i was looking for thanks, about user days and what not. logging and guiding may be a stretch, but in some eyes it is equal. though bringing in publishers or manufactures is off route there. as they serve all interests and not just their own. and what i mean by that is that they are putting the information down for all, whereas the guides are soliciting and taking money from a select group. i maybe offbase, but until i am shown otherwise, my opinions stay the same.

What about watercraft? That's industry profiteering off of public land. well then i have an issue with them as well....though this is a climbing board?! maybe>! ??

read the part about user days, or permits. thats what i am getting at. private industry capitalizing on the use of public land.

too bad they are stealing from the public. you are guiding on public land and need to repsect that. you are profiteering from everyone. not just your clients. i certainly do not think guiding should ever affect the availability of areas, due to impact. guiding should never ever ever ever ever ever ever come before private parties when decieding quotas. you may say that guides have better knowledge then some outside regarding the care of the enviroment or what not, but that is not the point, we as the public are subsudizing you, just as we are the logging companies. with no return back to the public, you are in the same leauge as them.

dfa, if you ever do such a thing again as post that pic, i will have you banned from the bored(sp intended)! have a good day, good buddy!

k i will try it maybe hit tj on the way north this evening.. i drank a half a bottle of white b4 soccer on sunday...i played great!!!!

whats a good white?? i am having chicken tommorow night....

how about we dicuss it over a nice glass of merlot after we cut down "bush".....oops i mean the xmas tree!!!

Why don't climbers pay for rescues? --eternalX why dont you pay for the cops and fire and ems services. oh wait you already do, its called taxes.

pfft old subaru brats rule. we had this one we called the rasta rally...that thing really go like a bat outta hell...least till we stuck it in te mud or rolled a tire of the wheel.. but sooooo much fun some guns some beers some doobage and the dogs an ellensburg saturday afternoon!

fossil is a pretty cool place. it certainly is not index. the ottoman empire has almost all bolted on river rock and plastic holds. this wall is about 45 degree. perfect outdoor training. you can have a fire at the base and warm the whole wall. decent boulders in the area as well. and some fun weird sport climbs. great view od rainier. and the are some off limits way that are way cool! and would be awesome to climb on. fossil is very unique and should be respected as such. index is closer to auburn then fossil is.

a string of occurences?? when will the industry of mass media stop with the overzealous attempts at building everyday life into something grand? tragic story and i hope they are rescued. but without word they are just lost. we should leave it at that. a string of occurences makes it sound as if there have been missing climbers weekly. you should simplify your wording and just tell the plain facts. your usage of adjatives is always annoying. and don't let jim forman do any of the reporting! keep up the good effort!!

pride

ZION has it all spring equals flash flood time. plan accordingly! paria canyon is awesome! moab is cliche and lives up to it!

backpackers supply has an intro class. they are located in tacoma 253-472-4402

Yo mama's so fat, her weight can only be expressed in complex irrational numbers. your moma is sooo nasty that wonder bread comes to her for their yeast!

and thats why they make special cooling creme

hike like you are going to the oyster dome b-ham rock by jason henry. hardend sandstone of some sort

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thats what climbing is all about!!

enlighten us oh guide book author and ice sage!!!

good moning enlightend one!