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  1. "Dick Cheney's secret undisclosed location is no longer secret"
  2. I thought the wife kept it in the divorce
  3. cj001f

    Inaugural Address

    Someone's been watching too much Spongebob!
  4. cj001f

    Inaugural Address

    25yds away? Those aren't public seats to my memory. Lucky you. As for the public - 400 seats/Senator, 200/representative. I'm sure they give all of those to the public The taxpayers do pay - just not directly. They pay for the distorted policies bought by lobbying at those events.
  5. cj001f

    Inaugural Address

    That sounds like someone who's never been to a fucking inaguaration. If you are lucky you might be able to see a pimple that resembles W from 1/4 mile away for free. And the balls, receptions, breakfasts, luncheons, and such where the real business transpires all cost $$$$$. Keep in mind our tax dollars are paying for this shit so every American should be free to do whatever the fuck they please as long as it doesn't endanger the life or limb of anyone else.
  6. No, you tour on Rando gear. Tele Skiing is for resorts.
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    Yes Mandrake

    reefer madness science! Given the Oregon Education System it's not surprising...
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    Yes Mandrake

    Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream. Bill revives fluoridated water debate Clean water and Oregon values will collide with childhood tooth decay in House testimony Wednesday, January 19, 2005 MICHELLE COLE SALEM -- Across the country, adding fluoride to tap water is as routine as brushing your teeth. But in Oregon? It's about as popular as paying a sales tax or pumping our own gas. At least three bills have come before the Oregon Legislature since 1995 proposing to require municipal water systems to add fluoride to combat tooth decay, especially in children. They've all failed. The last fluoride bill, in 2001, never got to the floor for a vote. But the idea hasn't disappeared down the drain. Today, the House Water Committee will take testimony on a new proposal, House Bill 2025, that would require municipal systems serving more than 10,000 people to add fluoride to the drinking water. That would affect an estimated 2.3 million Oregonians, including 489,000 in Portland, where the tap water is so pure some people have talked about bottling and marketing it. Fluoride has been added to drinking water in other states for more than 50 years. But the practice has never caught on in Oregon, where only 20 percent of the population has access to fluoridated water, compared with a national average of 67 percent. Oregon has resisted fluoride mandates because "we have a reputation for being more independent-minded," said Lynne Campbell, executive director of Oregon Citizens for Safe Drinking Water, a group that has battled fluoridation proposals in the state Capitol and in city halls. But fluoride proponents argue there's a relation between Oregon's lack of fluoridated drinking water and a higher-than-average percentage of children with cavities and tooth decay. A 2002 survey by the Oregon Department of Human Services of 3,900 elementary school-aged children found 56 percent of the 6- to 8-year-olds had tooth decay, compared with 52 percent of the U.S. average for the same age group. Low-income children and children of color had significantly higher rates of tooth decay, the survey found. April Love, a dentist who volunteers to treat preschoolers in Portland-area Head Start classes, carries photos of a 3-year-old with brown front teeth and a 4-year-old whose baby teeth have rotted away. "What overwhelms me is the ridiculousness that this is happening with these kids and that it's something preventable," said Love, who helped persuade Beaverton voters to endorse fluoridation in 2002. This fall, the Oregon Health Policy Commission recommended that the state require all public water systems to add fluoride. The Oregon Dental Association, representing 75 percent of the state's dentists, is lobbying hard to get a fluoride mandate passed in the Legislature this year. There are no reliable estimates of how much fluoridation would cost. The Oregon Dental Association says startup equipment costs could range from $1.50 to $14.52 a customer, depending on the water system. Annual operational cost estimates range from 50 cents to $1.50 a customer. Even at $14.52, it's still a good deal, said William Zepp, the Oregon Dental Association's executive director. Nationally, the group says, every $1 spent on fluoridation saves $38 on dental treatment. Wide range of opposition But the dentists face considerable opposition from environmentalists who say fluoride isn't good for migrating salmon; from cities who resent state mandates; and from consumer advocates who argue that using drinking water to medicate the public en masse is not the best way to improve Oregon's dental health. "There's a strong belief in Oregon that clean drinking water is important -- whether it's for drinking or for salmon -- and any plan to add a substance that is potentially harmful to either is going to meet the same resistance," said Brent Foster, an attorney representing the Columbia and Willamette Riverkeeper groups. Bill Bakke, director of the Native Fish Society of Oregon, said researchers studying Columbia River salmon about 10 years ago found migrating fish avoided areas near the John Day Dam where an aluminum smelter was releasing fluoride into the water. For humans, the most common adverse effects of fluoride are lacy markings, pitting or discoloration of the tooth enamel. These defects are seen in children who ingest too much fluoride, usually brought about by a combination of drinking water, added supplements or eating toothpaste. But some scientists and consumer advocates say there's still much to be learned about fluoride. They say studies suggest possible links to bone fractures, depression, hyperactivity, early sexual maturity and even cancer. It's simply not appropriate for the government to require fluoride added to the public's drinking water, Campbell said. "In this country," she said, "we have had a tradition of individual choice about the medication we take." Michelle Cole: 503-294-5143; michellecole@news.oregonian.com
  9. cj001f

    Inaugural Address

    He isn't a tax and spend statist? Creation of the largest US Agency since DOD (Dept of Homeland Security), massive budget deficits, rampant defence spending, social programs to pander to his base (abstinence, faith based crap), did I miss anything?
  10. The Haute Route was first done on foot in 1861. People commonly walk variations of the route in July/August. Have fun with the exchange rate.
  11. This trip is more at the exploratory stages. Looking at going in March/April for a total of 1-2 months. Backcountry skiing/peakbagging would be the coolest, as right now it'd be just me. ggk- thanks for the rock links & the map. German you say?
  12. The Screamer was the Zipper Screamer - according to Yates "Zipper Screamer reduces peak force on protection anchors by 6-7kN."
  13. The current search limits you to posts less than 4 years old. Would it be possible to change the date range to search every post? I realize currently there isn't much that old, but soon there will be.
  14. cj001f

    Mount Yoran

    Thread #1
  15. How was soloing?
  16. Already exists:
  17. Here's some wallpaper: http://www.dcxp.com/wall-paper.html
  18. I'm looking at a climbing/skiing trip to turkey. So far I've found slim to no information (well - a couple of cicerone guides, an old LP trekking, various magazine articles). Anyones have any advice to offer?
  19. where from in pdx do you need a ride?
  20. I have Yuraq Janka & The Peruvian Andes (beaud). They're both for sale. I also have "mountaineering in the Andes" which is a bibliography - can copy some pages if you are interested. PM me.
  21. For any ice tool the production cost is minimal compared to other factors like marketing, distribution, etc.
  22. Add Ski Bowl and possibly Meadows to that list.
  23. I'll try to be there tommorrow.
  24. It was 66 in Portland yesterday
  25. That was Friday night in Lillooet. In 2 weeks I've gone from 100F w/80% humidity to 20F to -30F to 62F. My body doesn't know what fucking season it is.
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