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Can you get by with 1 60 m rope? Thanks. DB

GET THEM TO POST A TR!!!

Anyone know what aspect of the tooth this route is on? Is it any good?

?SPONTA? Play by the rules bitch

STONE APE

Padden Creek Tunnel Built in 1897 to drain the area between I-5 and Fairhaven. Entrance is near 23rd and Fairhaven Parkway. Exits into Fairhaven Park. About 2/3rds of a mile long, winding all around the Happy Valley neighborhood. Sections of the Letter Streets and further north are built atop abandoned coal mines (one of the original industries in B'ham). Evidently there is a major entrance somewhere near Northwest Avenue that was blocked off in the 50's after a few kids died in it.

The Goretex liner in a boot is relatively fragile. Eventually it's going to break down and the boot is going to leak some. I've got a pair of hightop Gtx Nikes that were truely waterproof for the the first three months but alas no longer. The durability (or lack there of) of those boots has been brought up before. But really, what do you expect from a pair of crampon compatible boots that weigh 2.5 lbs. A good example of where light might be right but not neccesarily durable. Good luck.

Should they be encouraging safety meetings with rangers? I just don't get it...

Not harder than Brown Ale!

How much snow is up in the high country there? Have any of the lakes melted out? Thanks. Darin

Not that long ago Outer Space was rated 5.8+, Classic Crack was rated 5.8 amd Meat Grinder was rated 5.9.

--- Cross posted from a similarly titled thread in the Freshie Zones about 2 years ago --- Skiing down the White Salmon Glacier in February. We followed the best snow by staying close to the Northwest Rib. As we continued below the base of the rib we found ourselves below the Hanging Glacier. Dropping down a little chute I got cliffed out. I hollered up to my friends who started a long traverse torwards the ski area. I considered traversing 100 feet east into an enormous cone of avalanche debris (literally hundreds of feet high) instead I popped my skis off and decided to retrace my descent. I still clearly remember hearing the tinkle of small ice chunks followed by an enormous CRACK! Looking straight up above me (like tilt your neck and eyes back) this wave of snow is pouring off the top of the Hanging Glacier, hitting a wall of rock on the northwest rib, deflecting back in my direction, turning in to this churning cloud. It gets bigger and bigger and bigger. The last I looked it's hitting the snow slopes I'm on below the rock cliff the Hanging Glacier sits on. It enormous. I'm standing below a little projection of rock. I bury my skis in the snow, then my body and face. I close my eyes. What I really remember is the sound, so incredibly loud. And it just gets louder and louder and louder. Suddenly it gets dark and I'm being pounded into the snow by a malestroum of wind. This goes on, I don't know, for a while. I had this incredible sense of not really being alive, and not really being dead. Just waiting for whatever eventuality to occur. Hard to explain, guess you had to be there. The noise begins to diminish, soon it's gone. All thats left is a powder cloud hanging over the valley. I claw my way up the gully, adrenaline now coursing through me, fumble with the binding cables and get the hell out of there. The debris field in the white salmon drainage was up to 20' deep and at least a 1000' long. It all came down less than a 100' to my side. What I felt was the associated powder cloud that came thundering over the rock knob I was hiding behind and pounded me from above. My friends thought I was dead, ski patrol (who were watching us) though we were dead. I don't ski below hanging glaciers anymore.

FREAKIN CLASSIC!!! AND THE BEST ADVICE HERE IMHO

I think this idea got discarded around 1897. However it seems like a great rational for feeding the ego of Cascade "alpinists".

Two dozen pitches in L-Town. Bootied a cam, passed noobs via the Remorse variation to OS (Remorse = ), did a comparitive taste test of Heidelburger vs Gustavs (Gustavs just barely), avoided the tool at our illegal bivi, hung out with Larry.

For all that acreage of granite it blows my mind that only a handful of routes ever get done. OS and Orbit must take 95% of traffic with Iconoclast, Hyperspace and MJD taking another 4%. What's worth investigating in the other 1%? The other day I was eyeing the beautiful splitters on the East Face of Easter Tower and some awesome looking corners above it on an old line called Nailway. Both lines look stellar and probably just need a day of vigorous scrubbing. Anyone ever get on these? How about the Northern Dihedral? Evidently it's seen some traffic lately? Galaxy? Chimney Sweep? Chtong? All the acreage around April Fool's Tower? Whats up

Dove!? The pool's about waist deep and the cliffs are about 20' tall. Definitely a cleansing of the gene pool.

As if you two yocals would say otherwise!

Off topic, but whats up with the weird little wooden cross by the waterfall/swimming hole where the road crosses Asbestos Creek? Kinda ruins the atmosphere. Matt do you have anymore info? How long has it been there. Darin

Outside the trade route what about them big NW facing slabs leading to pillars on the Hook Creek side of the tower you can see from around Icicle Buttress. It's hard to believe no one's checked it out!?

I thought all the legends got scared off?....spill the beans!

The internet has certainly foisted somewhat of a moral dilema onto the traditional booty ethic of "finders keepers loosers weepers". Spray all over someone elses loss is weak, snagging and keeping booty is not. In fact I think it's a fine part of the climbing tradition and something to look forward too. Years ago I lost a cam at the crux of a multipitch climb when my follower could not clean it. It of course probably disappeared the next day. Earlier this spring I had the delight of finding and bootying someone elses stuck cam at the same place. Karmatic cycle complete! This forum should be dumped. At the very least, as someone else suggested, don't read it if you've been bootying gear and you won't have ethical dilemnas to resolve!

I'm considering lazing about the enchantments in the middle of August for a few nights. Of course this requires getting the dreaded permit. The permit process is completely archaic! Basically you've got to send them your money and then they'll tell you if any space is available. Anybody out there familiar with how booked up the Enchantments typically are? Am I wasting my time even trying to jump through their hoops?

Some potential splitters there on the lower right hand corner. So what's access like?