AlpineK

How come I brought up all this stuff earlier Matt, but you only take note when JayB says the same thing, huh?

this weekend

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Well, I'll be hog-tied and dipped in honey. And I thought you'd have to PM our "esteemed and ethical" moderators in order to ascertain my identity, which I so obviously wished would remain private. Kurt, you suggest that Dwayner is a prick. Well you've just demonstrated your capacity for being lower than a snake's butt in a wagon track. I used no special mod powers to figure this out. Just come clean Eric. Hell I will, most folks already call me Kurt often enough, but my full name is Kurt Fickeisen.

Krazy Karpet is going to be the cheapest by far, plus you can roll it up when you've gotta hike up a steep slope. On the other hand if you're into trips to Boeing surplus and a nice shop project then the Karpet wont cut it.

i am glad tho' that i am not hangin' with the family. everytime it ends up as a discussion as to why i am not married. Bummer. Luckily I don't face that. We usually talk about climbing, politics, and sports.

hanging out with the parents and eating turkey and pie.

Yup. Gotta have the bucks, for the fancy power drill. And the hardware. But say, once you've demonstrated competence by acquiring these items (sarcasm, for the slower readers), then, and only then, by Gum, should you consider yourself a ROUTE PIONEER. Kurt, you've accused me of demonstrating poor logic, given my mathematical training. But, you're also a mathematician. When we gonna get som' dat good logic out of you? I think you missed the second part of what I said which was, "you have to take the time off from climbing to set the route." Case in point a friend of a friend has spent most of the summer working up at Zeke's wall setting routes. We hiked up there one day and watched him spend hours trundling crap off the wall. Setting a new route is work, and it's a lot easier for most people to just go out and climb preexisting routes than to set new ones.

Shit man I run it out sometimes cause I can't see the bolts till I'm 10' past them and scared.

I'm not convinced of the argument that any joker is going to start drilling bolts. You've gotta have the bucks for the cordless drill and bits and batteries and all that hardwear. Then you've gotta find a line to set, and take days off from climbing to do the route setting. It seems that this activity is self limiting.

The funny thing is bolt placing may have the least impact of all the things that climbers do. You can barley see bolts from a distance, but you can see trails and erosion. Climbers rip out lots of habitat when they clean climbs, especially cracks, for FAs. Climbers drive vehicles to the mountains/crags causing more CO2 and other pollutants to enter the atmosphere. Climbers leave chalk deposits that never seem to go away, and we leave colorful webbing around flakes when we can't rap off bolts. I view the whole rap bolt debate as a stupid macho thing. Folks like Pope and Dwayner think you should only place a bolt if you do it on lead after a lot of thinking. If they actually worked at setting routes for a living they would figure out the best way to place the most secure and well placed bolts. In my line of work we try to work smart not hard and thus if I were to translate that to bolting a route I would say that Rap bolting is the smart way to bolt a route.

Allow me to insinuate jkassidy=pope=eric mohler.

I was trying to think of the title of that one.

This is the real issue. Back in the golden age you could go where you wanted to without crouds and without the man making you pay fees and restricting your camping options.

I happen to know it is a fact that Dwayner hasn't posted under that name (he's still banned) nor any other name since he was arbitrarily banned back in September, although he does check in to read posts and messages. Many people agree with what he says. I happen to be only one of the many. Yes Pope and Dwayner represent a tag team for the extreme and irrational view against bolts. I haven't seen anyone else join them at their antibolt level. Dwayner was being a major prick, so he got banned. You know that even though you wont admit it.

nearly dead Zardoz is pretty wierd.

Wake up Erik and others In the case of everything in spray and a lot in other forums. You can not control the subject of a thread. That's all

There's fresh snow in the Cascades pal.

Snowshoes are the stupidest means of travel on snow

Cut down a horsechestnut, bought 200 gallons of fuel, made some phone calls. But I'm looking forward to is and at the Alki

That's some funny looking soda pop Colin's drinking.

I heard the same thing Dru did, but I learned it by watching TV

Yeah, it might have been his first movie

Hmm. The book Logans Run is on the classic Scifi list, but I don't know about the movie. How about A boy and his dog