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Eric like I said I enjoyed the climb you put up. Despite that the bolt we're talking about is in the vicinity of a crack, and I could definitely see someone who takes a strong anti crack bolt viewpoint being totally against that bolt on your route. In the big picture I could easily name a bunch of other bolts in the Icicle that are much worse offenders in the realm of the crack bolt. It still puts you in a similar position to other, "bad apples."

There's nothing wrong with a thirsty beaver. I love em.

It's a 9" chipper, so it's not quite as macho as the 12" varieties. The engine is a Cummins

Happy Birthday Dru. Too bad you live in a socialist hellhole.

All I know is there are plenty of rad places to go in BC that are just as cool as a park in either country and there are no fees to use them.

Ok just so I'm clear both of these things are posted in the Equipment Trader. I'll post them here since it would be really funny if somebody here bought either item or both. But ya never know.... 1999 Morbark chipper Model 2090/Lightning Got brush? Why not refine your mess into chips. $10,500 obo --------------------------------------------------------- 1981 International S1824. The truck has a dumping bed with 2' sides that fold down. It comes equipped with a PM 7002 knuckleboom that can lift up to 1900 lbs. $5000 obo Just a thought on your next road trip why not load up a shed and a scout vehicle or snowmobile for some real adventure.

I'd say that having done a bunch of climbs with bolts on them I don't care how they were placed. On lead or on rappel it doesn't matter; as long as the bolts are in good spots for leading the route and they aren't right next to cracks. I have seen a fair share of bolts next to cracks in Leavenworth. This whole conversation reminds me of one route right up from Carnival Crack that while a fun climb had a bolt pretty darn close to a crack. If I'm not mistaken some of the anti bolt guys on this thread were involved.

I've done a couple routes on both Athabasca and Andromeda. They both have some good options though I hear the Skyladder isn't quite as good as it used to be. It's a little harder but Photo Finish on Andromeda is good. There are 2 routes on the north face of Athabasca; the route on the right side as you face the mountain is slightly harder and steeper.

I'm afraid I'm not too focused on my weight. I'm going for a drive today....first I've gotta get the paper at the foot of my driveway...later Maple Valley.

I've done some lift assisted backcountry skiing up near Port Hardy at Mt Cain. While there you could see some cool peaks from the mountains above the lifts. It looked like there was some cool climbing there, and your TR backs that up.

I couldn't make it past page 5 on this one. All I have to say is eating beef is totally wrong and sick. Stick with pig

I'd be happier still if Jay moved to White Center and raved about the good Mexican food. One other option would be to move to Burien to a swanky place down on Three Tree Point.

I'm not about to say that all bolts are good. Personally I have a mixed view on bolts, but I'm not as concerned over the rap bolting vs ground up issue. One place where I am totally in favor of bolts is for rap anchors at crags where there are trees nearby. As an arborist who has spent the last 17 years climbing trees I can tell you that leaving fixed anchors in trees causes real damage to the tree. I've spent years climbing to prune small trees up to 200' tall firs. I have never seen a qualified arborist leave a fixed anchor for descent. As a side issue I'd say that arborists do use spurs/gaffs to climb trees, but that's only when you are removing the tree unless there is an overriding safety issue. To me and a lot of people the crag is about more than just the rock climbs. I look at the crag area as a whole. That being said I could site plenty of places where removing a tree is an acceptable thing to do at a climbing area and does little damage to the forest. Anyway I know my point is a side issue to the main focus of the debate, but I thought I'd bring it up.

Don, I think that if you have something you truly believe in then you won't waste your time talking about it on the internet. Instead you should be writing organizations, legislatures, and other entities that have real influence on the subject of bolts on rock. If you do want the discussion to continue here then like Jay said post your results from real communications. The internet is a good place to talk smack and meet up with like minded folks, but it isn't such a good place to expect real results from discussions like this one.

I still have a empty bottle of IPA I saved from over a year ago. Dogfish Head 120 Minute IPA Alc. 20% by volume. From what I remember just one bottle will kick your ass in a good way. It's kind of sad that technically I can drink again, but it just ain't worth it till I can get off one set of pills I'm on till next year. Dru, I'm sorry but you don't know a thing about beer.

Right on Mike

I vaguely remember some good canuck beer, but that stuff at the brew pub in Squish

I think you're thinking of mt. sleazy.

The Poodle Dog. Ya gotta stop there. You can even get a drink in the Pup Room. I've also been to that restaurant that Sherri was talking about just up the street from Point Defiance Park. that's a good spot.

Be prepared.

You could start here: POINT DEFIANCE PARK There's a: zoo, nice gardens, Cool trees where tree climbing comps have been held, nice roads with good views of the sound and the Narrows bridge, Cool logging exhibits, and Fort Nisqually.

So did you traverse using the suspension cables, or what? I've already done that a few years ago. The new bridge is slightly higher though......

Look up TBI