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He's pretty banged up and has a long road ahead. Get better, Josh!

Sorry, to clarify, when I said eastside I meant Bellevue/Redmond area.

I'm getting rid of all my magazines. This first batch is about 25 issues each of Climbing and R&I, from the early 90s to early 2000. Notables include the Lynn Hill freeing the Nose issue, the Rachel Babkirk cover, the Alex Lowe tribute, and 25 anniversary of Climbing. Also Alpinist #3 and #5. Going through them there are some great issues, but I'm having a hard enough time living in the present, so they need to go. Pick up on Eastside or possibly in Seattle next week. PM me if interested. If there is enough interest I'll split them up. I only want to give these to people who plan on not selling them and passing them along; there is no reason for them to sit in a bookshelf or closet.

I should have phrased my question differently. The software we are planning to move to has a gallery component. I'm not wild about how it works currently and am questioning whether having one less moving piece is worth losing the ability to browse photos. My suspicion is that people quickly get frustrated by our current software from a browsing standpoint: the UI sucks, people don't properly name photos or tags, there are 10s of thousands of photos now. I think it's just a shitty experience, and I'm wondering if we are better off having a great upload and viewing experience in posts at the expense of being able to browse photos. Then again, if I want to browse photos I'd probably go to 500px.

That is a good question. The problem is most of the files coming of cameras these day are huge. I do believe that the browser can reduce image size before uploading to the server, whether the platform that we are moving to does that I'm not sure. I'll look into that.

Absolutely positively no. Just the software itself, not the photos.

In moving to new forum software soon one of the things we are considering is dropping the photo gallery. The new forum will allow you to drag and drop photos into a post, which from a usability standpoint will be awesome. But the photos will not be cataloged anywhere, so in a way they will be lost in that post. There will be less to maintain on our side, but a lot of those awesome photos will be buried. If you have any input on this, feel free to take the poll or comment below. Thanks!

Bang for you buck the best hike I've done in lower mainland BC is Joffre lakes just past Pemberton. Maybe a 45 minute drive from Whistler. There are a number of scrambles out of the top lake.

PM Amber I hear she lost her Nordstrom discount and needs crampons.

Very sorry guys

Ben Bear in Bellevue with Prudential has pretty good rates for climbers etc. Since the policy is more I'm getting two policies, one with an exclusion to keep the price down. (425) 698-4514

As I'm going through cleaning up some of the TR meta data I'm always amazed at some of the gems we have posted here and how fortunate we are that people share these. It's been great motivation looking at some of these to put the necessary effort in to build a better TR system. What are some of your favorite trip reports from the last year?

We appreciate the comments. We'll address others later, just want to talk about the technology side right now. The forum desperately needs both functionality and design modernizations, and we have know this for a while. And we are working on it, but it's not simple. We can't just go to App Store and downloading new software. We have to recode the TR system, migrate all the data, make sure accounts work, make sure redirects work.... it's a long list. Most importantly we have to pick something that we can stick with for a while. We almost migrated in 2005, and it would have been a disaster if we had. We put our faith in UBB and we got burned in the long run. We have two options picked out, both are solid and modern, we are just waiting for a new version on one to finalize the decision. If you want to try them out send me a PM and I'll introduce both to you. Oh one other thing. I'm glad you brought this up. We did get carried away a bit experimenting with different ad spaces. I apologize for that. I'm going to cut out the ones that are not performing well.

Feel free to discuss and ask questions about the changes to our forum rules here.

It’s been 13 and a half years since we started cc.com. That is a long time! 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I don't mean to pick on you, Ivan. They have an argument and you feel the need to instantly rebut it, and prove their point in the process. We are trying to collect feedback on how to make this site better. We know your opinion, it's now time to let others chime in on how they would like to use the site and see it improve.

If anyone has feedback they don't feel comfortable posting here, you can use our contact form. It's anonymous, you can enter a fake email in there, and we won't be offended by any comments as long as their intent is to be constructive. http://cascadeclimbers.com/contact/

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Mark, you had a lot of excellent feedback, but I want to focus this right now time allowing. Improving the image uploader is a big priority. So much so I might create a new one for our forum software to buy us a bit more time before we switch products. Regarding using blogs, it really would be great if people copied their content over from their blog instead of just posting a link, but I realize this is a byproduct of the friction of adding photos on cc.com. I might be daydreaming a bit here, but I could see us at some point allowing you to put a link to a WordPress blog post and we would automagically copy the content and photos for safe keeping on cc.com. For those of you who blog, I really encourage you to use a WordPress.com blog. It's free and your images will be stored forever.

We appreciate the feedback. For those who wish to give it in a more anonymous form feel free to use out contact form here http://cascadeclimbers.com/contact/ This is our 13th year of CC.com. And the world has changed a lot since then. I don’t want to sound like I have my head in the sand, but I see cc.com surviving right now, not necessarily dying. That doesn’t mean there aren’t things we can improve here, there are tons as there always have been. But consider this: 2006-7 was our peak usage. The iPhone was just released. Facebook and Twitter were infants. Since then there has been a war for your attention, and now it has moved from your desktop to your phone, and now it's moving to your other devices (Pebbles, FitBits, Netflix etc). There are billions of dollars being pumped into these companies who’s sole purpose is to compete for your time, content, money, and become integral to your lives. So, it’s remarkable in a way that we are still here. Are posts down? Yes. Are pageviews down? Yes. Are visits by core return visitors down? Not so much. So while people are not posting, they are still reading in droves. I don’t want to sound like I’m not disappointed this has happened, because I am, but I’m also realistic about the above, and take some solace in the fact our traffic is such that we’d likely survive financially even if nobody was posting. Being self sufficient financially was a goal from the start. Something that did happen this year is in the last 12ish months we have had 3 offers to buy cc.com. We turned away all of them, mainly because none where in the best interest of the community and your content.. We are in this for the long haul. Moving forward I will add a better photo uploading capability; you guys deserve it. Whether we abandon the photo gallery or not is up in the air. In the next couple months we’ll have some clarity on which forum solution we will be moving to, which will be much more modern then what we have now, and will have a great mobile experience. I’ll have more a bit later.

Thanks for the constructive feedback, Mike. We are evaluating our options to make everything a lot easier, especially adding photos to TRs, one of which might be abandoning the gallery software entirely.

I'm guessing the lawyer saw more money with the other client then the heli guiding company.

I want to say it was around '95 they closed.

The tally of great Eastside gear shops that have closed: High Mountain Rendezvous in Issaquah. Wilderness Outfitters(?) on Northup Way. Marmot on 148th. Any others?