the fact that we as climbers cannot regulate ourselves for creating these shopping mall,at all costs, routes and the desire for achieving "route setting" glory , I believe will not go unnoticed if they keep coming. the government will make more rules and regulate for us. leave no trace is not just for campers and hikers, it should be a climbers goal as well. and yes sperry basin is not Chamonix, but I do believe it is in the mountains. I am sure the FA team are cool guys, this is nothing personal, I just think is bad form. that's all