summitchaserCJB

Ya that was what I was afraid would happen ..

sounds so dangerous. but strangely interesting.

sorry to keep posting but you're making me think. You do bring up a good point about risk in climbing. I think there is a point where you degrade what climbing is to the point where it is something altogether different. Of course there is a spectrum and any given activity within climbing falls somewhere on the spectrum. I personally don't care as much about how you define "climbing". I'm more interested in how that translates into route devolopment. Of course, certain ethics lead to unfortunate practices at the crag.

I just think it's funny when you claim this subjectivity in route ethics then you basically claim that you set the standard by claiming that routes are too "safe". Make up your mind!

I think you're putting words in my mouth. But I'll play along. (strawman detected). I guess for my I just don't want to die. when I think I'm going to die it is no longer fun. It's kinda that simple. Cheers!

Joe- I appreciate your perspective. But really you have brought up way more questions than you have answered. I guess the best answer I can come up with is to climb and establish in the manor you want to see out there. I think putting up unsafe routes is kinda irresponsible, by definition. But people do it so what can you do?

Better than ugly and a dumbass. (not refering to anyone in particular).

Guess that rules you out then phil

and dude someone died. Try exercising some sensitivity.

no you're hardcore man. I climb choss only.

Ya I suppose. But all it takes is one loose rock to end your day. That was enough to make me vigilant.

It's worse when you solo it. The mind plays dirty tricks.

My brother and I witnessed a recovery there a couple months ago.

of course.

Millet Radikal rock boots for the new few minutes are available.

I also have the Brooks Ranger. They seem pretty dang bulky on my feet when combined with the nepal evo. Did you experience that as well?

That chimney is money! wait, whoops, wrong route.

BTW PM me if you want to buy them.

oh...

Whenever my shaft gets slippery, I put some sticky tape on it.

45$

I have no idea what you just said,

Dude, asthmatic...chill the freak out man.

Yes, I avoided this thread completely!! ! Oh wait, I just blew it. Damnit~!

What's that like?