summitchaserCJB

ahh cmon, let me have them!

shit dog, give me some credit. It's like 50 against one here.

dude that fuckin sucks. Soundslike that cacodomian boulder or however you spell it up at Squam-bomb.

I live it, hate it, fuck it. shit.

If I relied on you guys for anything more than cheap amusement then I would be in bad shape. Glad I don't.

Can you clarify what you mean Dane?

Try posting in spray. Great way to increase that post count.

Haven't yet looked at weather but here is what I usually do. Look at the leavenworth weather, marblemount, Index (probably raining if Seattle is rainy) and beyond depending on where you want to go. Good luck.

You think I care what you think? I don't bro. This doesn't concern you. You don't even climb.

Mr Hands--------> Fender------------->I may or may not have made an allusion. I'm begining to learn something from these forums- it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. Actually screw that.

So basically no one wants them, right? Did I ever mention chopping? Take a chill pill, fenderfour.

Todd's the man!

Pink, sort of. I didn't want to exclude the newbs who "need" the bolts.

I was hoping to gauge the public opinion on this matter. It's always nice to use thought before action.

Thank you for the constructive criticism.

If you don't care, don't post. Otherwise it's spray.

Sure. I thought I might skew the data if I gave my opinion subtly through an explanation but I'll proceed. So ya, there have been some deaths on Lundin, despite its class 4 terrain. There are two memorial plaques. But there are also two "memorial" bolts that are old, decrepit, unnecessary and probably dangerous as well as very unsightly. The only reason- I believe- they haven't been removed is because they are "memorial bolts". That's fine- I guess- but the plaques are more than enough memorial. I think two huge bolts on 4th class terrain gives the wrong message. It's saying that if people make big mistakes that we will murder the impossible. I mean, why not do via ferrata on every route where people die. We shouldn't destroy the aesthetics of a route that is definitely protectable naturally because of one person's mistakes. I also understand the almost artistic message that the bolts portray but I think their time has passed. I'm definitely not taking away from the deaths. The memorial plaques are fine (but I don't advocate placing plaques on every route for every death). I mean, lets face it- sometimes people screw up in the mountains. Why make a mockery of our sport by protecting fourth class terrain. Honestly I felt almost offended when I third classed down past the bolts. I think it makes climbers look stupid. Anyways, that's it.

Ya, what the heck happened?

Really nice pics.

Especially the " Sheeit" part. Shesh, so elitist.

no kidding man...

Found them mid-climb. Small gloves. Let me know if you lost them. If I don't hear from anybody, I'll give them away to the first person who pays shipping for them. Later...

You guys rock.

Ridiculous.