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I sent a PM to ya Walden, I did not recieve yours but gave the current status in my PM. I recieved a couple of emails but no responses back on the initial ones. I will keep the info alive as things occur. I am not sure if PMs are broken but email might be the smoothest way. Cheers

Thanks for the responses.

And by "side", I am referring to us as "climbers", "outdoors people", "fans of nature", and "lovers of the free spirit adventurous lifestyle". I am making a generalization that all lovers of hiking/climbing have a similar idealogy. Granted there are exceptions.

I didn't know I had to choose a side. Are you saying that if I don't support Crux' proposed violence against the president then, by definition, I must hate the environment? LOL, no no, I actually mean the big FW picture, this thread is just the post that got me wondering what makes FW tick! I am being respectful and serious.

Yer a reel tough guy. Grrrrrrrrrr. FW, serious question for you, I know you love the outdoors, you mountain bike, you climb. Do you even care about the environment at all? You seem pretty hell bent on supporting GW to the bitter end and with all the issues surrounding his views on the environment and human rights... I have a hard time believing you are on our side. I am not being critical but you just seem like the banana in a bag of apples. Or do you just like to play devils advocate?

I couldn't say for havn't heard them that i know of, but do listen to 94.7 FM! "Turning Japanese", classic one hit wonder. But the rest of the album is just as good if not better and highly pertinent.

Marc's previous thread. The Vapors

A few selections from my files, mostly rock climbing/canyoning, but some bouldering too. I have the hi-rez versions on disc, these are just interweb friendly.

His eyes are really close together, that's a sure sign of weakness.

Exactly! Hence the reason I hate even trying to put it into words. Beliefs like that are internal dialog only stuff IMHO, its impossible to verbalize without making it "ebay"

I don't like using that either, I feel that if you can define it or describe it then it just becomes an "idol" worshipping kind of thing. Some things are best just left to the internal dialog. Kind of like my take on religion, it's really too personal to bring up with others. Most world religions are in fact just big clubs for ppl that cant think for themselves and need to have a central figure to validate their existence.

You need a third choice for ppl like me. "Ethereal, intangible, energy force." I cant say I don't believe in something, but by just labeling it "God" conjures up images of an old chubby bearded white guy.

The Vapors

Looks great man! I lived in Vegas for 8 years and savor every minute at Red Rocks. But we spent most of our time in the canyons, there are alot better and more "diverse" climbing opportunities than can be found at the pullouts. Trad routes and natural scenery inspire me more than repeated shots of some overworked/overbolted boulder problem.

even?

Gosh no, were dog ppl here. I just found that browsing my other favorite forum.

Simple tastes here, I just want a fresh baggie of mids and mebbe one of these;

pink...is that something brown on yer nose?