el jefe

seems i've heard this white noise somewhere before...

this post is almost as silly and unintelligible as anything gw said while in office. peter, you might have a future as a republican puppet if you also happen to be the scion of a wealthy, well-connected family.

i can't say that i'm sad to see limbaugh and coulter at the helm of the repugnik party, but rather that i'm relieved. the two of them are completely out of touch with the mainstream, so as long as they are calling the shots, we won't be seeing a return to repugnik rule for a very long time.

it's astounding to me that there is still someone out there who needs evidence that kevbone doesn't have a clue what he is talking about...

"Everything is a decision in life. Do the best with what you have and be prepared to life with the aftermath." wise advice, dane. and thanks for your sensible and considerate analysis of this event.

dare to imagine a world without assholes like pink.

"5/24/2009" -- another trip report from the future...

sadly, ewolfe, no personal discovery has yet occurred in your case. sounds like you are emotionally still stuck in 8th grade.

I would say most doctors priority is to get paid. Gee kev, sounds rather uncharacteristically cynical for someone who's always got such a Pollyann-ish attitude... Its the field I work in......I know about these things. and, pray tell, with what sort of humanitarian undertaking do you earn your daily bread, noble kevbone? evidently your labors aren't sullied by crass concerns with remuneration. i'm guessing you are one of those high-minded sorts who would work even if he wasn't paid because your employment is so uplifting and ennobling, a boon to mankind...

pink doesn't live in oregon so he won't be paying it anyway. he can just shut the fuck up since the issue doesn't concern him. as for you, billcoe, i'll send you my contact info so you can come over and kiss my ass.

the internet never ceases to amaze -- now we can time-travel, too! where do i go to download this app?

beer swillers drinking wine? doubtful. comes in too small of a glass for quaffing.

you two should be more worried about a tax on posts to cc.com. with almost 12,000 posts between you, an appropriately scaled tax would effectively wipe out the federal deficit. $0.20/pint doesn't sound like too much.

pdxers talk about bolts like 13 yr old boys talk about boobs too true!

there's the voice of youth and inexperience passing judgment on the world. in 1990 i broke my ankle quite badly and spent the next 14 weeks on crutches, nonweightbearing. my orthopedist told me to expect to end up having the joint fused but i was very, very lucky and had a good recovery with full range of motion in the joint, etc. my view is that everyone decides for himself or herself what risk is acceptable or not and it certainly isn't my place to pass judgment on what another person is willing to risk.

got a response from katie dunham that was blah blah boilerplate -- the email equivalent of hiding under your desk and pretending to be out of the office.

'The belayer, Tom, told me they had researched the issue and decided to drill a "practice aid route" in that location' this thread makes me wonder what sort of 'research' these guys actually did. based upon the tenor of this discussion, i'd say they had insufficient data to support their opinion that this "practice aid route" would be okay with the local climbing community. if their bolts are gone when they go back to 'send' their project, then maybe they will be able to draw the correct conclusion.

emails sent to the above addresses. it looks, however, like these people are indifferent to input they receive from the public. calling this a "slap in the face" is putting it mildly to say the least!

Funny you mention "questionable ethics" as an argument against an aid ladder as a few sport routes out there sport chipped holds. But yeah: likely many much better places for an aid ladder. not sure i understand your point, john. just because ethically questionable practices have occurred in the past doesn't mean that anything anyone wants to do is now okay. sounds like a stupid route put up by stupid people.

where do you live, tvash? i'm afraid there are a lot of billcoes out there packing heat and having no clue, so unless you are living on the moon...

john, you make a lot of sense, but from what i've seen, making sense isn't of much value where these beacon quibbles are concerned.

nice work guys. looks like ivan came up with a new plan after all -- i.e., climbing hood on a sunny day seems so much more logical to me somehow...

it's a walk off. leave it as it is.

ivan as "backwards warrior"? that somehow makes a lot of sense...

that "24 hours and/or getting more than 80 miles or so away from pdx" is what limits you. for example, i went to smith for the day on saturday and conditions were perfect. drive a little farther and find something dry...