el jefe

Wow, it's Jesus Christ incarnate. Don't shoot the messenger, everyone, he's just telling us the TRUTH! It's up to us to choose between good and evil. So do your converts stay at your Guyanan plantation full time or part time? Scared of IDEAS??? Reject them if you want! You act as if you're being forced to accept them. Don't even want to read this stuff because it's just so darn annoying????? Easy solution! You see the name "Raindawg" attached to the post...scroll on by! buh by! the angry little man has spoken.

this pretty much nails it. if raindawg were really interested in changing minds or getting people to think seriously about his ideas, he'd adopt a different tactic. getting up on the podium and self-righteously haranguing everyone, however, is probably the best way to drive everyone onto the other camp.

he would say "hey look. I can pink point anything"! You should research the history behind this climb: father figure at joshua tree. scott cosgrove route. bachar worked it, redpointed it, then soloed it after getting it dialed. straightup sporto method to get to the soloing bit.

oh, ouch! super doucheBag is so super touchy! did i say something that offended your so very sensitive feelings? such thin skin for a douchebag!

you in bed with a woman? now that is amusing. this just gets to be more fun all the time!

You know neither my parents nor my "spiritual teachers" and if you did, you would know that their only disappointment would be that I waste my time responding to the likes of you. wash day at the clock factory -- one of my favorites!

in the era of the giants when you bestrode the earth with your seven league boots and forearms like popeye. them were the days, i tell ye. climbers today got no balls and is weak as kittens. bolts sap a man's strength, make him into a womanish creature and a pitiable sight. the whole world should just give up climbing and line up to watch the mighty JosephH and the indomitable Raindawg talk us to death with their endless gobbledy-gook and senile confabulations...

super B = super Butthead = super doucheBag i'm having fun with it. i expect you're the kind of doucheBag lots of people find amusing

superB = super Butthead

Had climbing been of interest, the last thing thing Miles would have been is a sport climber and the venue he'd least have been interested in would be a gym - Miles was all about risking. And the mere idea that there is anything avante garde about the riskless entertainment climbing the suburban hordes have glommed onto is just the sort of self-fulfilling delusion that attracts them in the first place. Full Heinous Cling (ground up): Go Pat! hey phillip, this is clearly the best post in this entire thread!

most of these hard core antibolt dipshits don't even climb anymore so why does anyone care what they think?

troll

awesome tr and photos, off white! the best possible response to raindawg's puerile whining.

this story makes me feel queasy...

listen up, people, the king of all gumbies is speaking here!

more trad = more blood or the more you bleed, the tradder you are

bachar lived according to his rules, not yours, mark. give the judgmental shit a rest sometime, eh?

Dude, be grateful, a trad video is infinitely more interesting than some nerf herder clipping bolts or an endless Yngwie Malmstein video. gumby has spoken...

i've never been to the "mounties wall", but i'm guessing that it's artificial, so just get over it. i mean, why should anyone give a flying f__k?

it is certainly an interesting "ideology" that promotes both a "leave no trace" climbing ethic as well as mountain biking. i'm not sure how a few bolts is somehow a massive degradation of nature while ripping through the wilderness on a mountain bike somehow leaves things the way you found them. maybe pope isn't the only one posting while intoxicated.

PhoQ, grampa raindawg's intolerance of sport climbers is of course acceptable and justified, but your dislike of jehovah's witnesses is completely unacceptable and unjustifiable. anyone can see this is reasonable.

"the past year or so I find myself at this point where I don't really care about grades or even names of climbs" this is what happens as one grows older, joseph. you start forgetting things, little things at first, and pretty soon...

Big Jim is far more qualified to provide perspective than any a-hole who contributes to cc.com discussions, and that includes el jefe, peewee puget, and pope. "Men were manlier in my day?" Got news for you, jefe, this IS his day. Personally, I do believe generational differences account for sport grades which are, with few counterexamples, much easier than equivalent trad grades. By this I mean, most post-1985 climbs are so F-ing easy for the grade. At 5.12 and beyond, I can't comment because I've never been athletic enough to sample such climbs. But up to 5.11 and 5.12-, I suggest knocking a full letter grade or more off a typical sport climb to compute the trad equivalent, for climbs put up in the 80's. I suspect the reason for this is the same reason that popularized sport climbing in the first place. Climbers of low talent, impatient with the learning curve or working through the grades, when climbing harder also meant learning how to fiddle in #3 RP's, and feeling inferior because somebody in California was climbing harder than they were, decided that bolts placed on rap were legitimate. With this development, one could clip bolts on a climb that was technically as hard as some trad climb that he could only ascend via top-rope. With only top-rope ascents (and hangdog ascents) of difficult pitches for perspective, climbers graded their new sport climbs without the knowledge of the true difficulty involved in leading these routes. The second generation of sport climbers was even more lazy and pathetic, applying softer and softer grades so their names would appear in conjunction with the 5.12 grade in the next edition of the local guidebook. In hopes of getting a blow job. pope, you're like those japanese soldiers they found back in the 60s hiding on remote pacific islands, thinking ww2 was still going on 20 years after it ended...

"If you have some experience trad climbing, you should be able to hit your placements fairly quick" i think this point explains why most people describe a difference between the sport and trad grades they lead: not so quick to find the right piece of gear climbing trad as when climbing sport. donini's comment is just another one way of saying "men were manlier in my day." trad grades aren't harder than sport grades and it isn't harder to climb trad than sport, only different. as TimL says, the difference is in being tuned into the gear and the placements, not the climbing.

just think, dane, all these years climbing at index you've been getting it wrong. now get a 70m rope before disaster strikes!