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Close, he developed that while at Buchenwald.

You know what seems like a more liely scenario to me, Larry (instead of hidden, massive fraudulent schemes involving the wholesale faking of elections) is that a) Half of us don't vote b) Most of the half that do, have no idea what sort of person they're voting for. There are many reasons people don't seem to get it (Media, taking advantage of social habits of humans, exploiting ignorance, brainwashing, conspiracy theories, etc.) -- but I don't see any evidence at all that our system of voting in America is systemically broken. In fact, I see every indication that what we have is exactly the result of a functioning democractic vote constituated by ignorant voters, heavily influenced by special interests and billions of dollars of political advertising. But, that doesn't mean our vote is broken. Social networking won't fix the problem of an uninformed electorate. Suggesting we'd be better off without our vote strikes me as a form of treason that I just can't respect. Cheers!

You're right, Larry. Listen, one of my neighbors who escaped from a death camp, swam across the pacific, spent 7 years in the US gaining citizenship, then joined the military, finished special forces training, invented the jet and the time-machine and flew to Germany in time to free the Jews, agrees with you. He also says that we'd all be better off getting rid of our vote and relying on twitter. In a strange string of coincidences, he also has a cousin whose friend's sister's boyfriend's father's neighbor's uncle worked for diebold and says he threw the switch to give Obama the election. They only made it look like 50% of americans voted, just to screw with people. That's why I think we should abandon democracy, and rely on social networking instead, because social networking is so much harder to manipulate. I take it all back, and bow to your superior grasp of logic.

I suspect think we all might be pitching in on that one... I don't do unnecessary judeo-christian guilt trips but I certainly do all I can to stop this train wreck by opposition to people who do all they can to prevent sustainable policies. Read: Arguing on CC.com about politics is more valuable than real-world action.

Chan Marshall

Are u guys still arguing about this? Didn't anyone win yet? I'm pretty sure nobody has made a new argument in at least three days.

THIS fight is about the kids http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81350844/

Are you talking about public employee pension funds? Most of them are not funded by tax dollars.

+1 on safety kit. I never enter the mountains without it. Safety first.

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civil war, right?

Oh god, not another one of those "income tax deniers." They're dumber than the truthers. http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/what-law-requires-us-to-pay-taxes.html

"doing it for the money" is an expression. McDonald's employees get paid, too, but I doubt they're "doing it for the money."

But at least I won't get athlete's foot.

I was proud of myself for taking my 401K out of stocks and putting it all into money markets several years ago, before the collapse. I thought I was all clever, cause I saw it coming, and for several years I gloated when I heard about people's 401K's going down. Not Me! I would say. But, several years later, all those funds have since rebounded. I would have gained 7% if I had just stayed put. Ooops!

strangely, the people who want the rich to get tax breaks are not actually rich, themselves. Isn't it weird?

Did you know that "voting" actually comes from the latin word, "voterous," which means "fooling the public." So that proves it!

well, he sounds muslim. Book him, Stanko!

Albeit Macht Frei

Dude, Larry. How high are you? You don't even seem to care that only 50% of our electorate EVEN BOTHERED TO VOTE. Instead, you blather on about some vast conspiracy involving rigging elections. You've been hanging out with Bill and Kevbone too long. If they were going to rig the election, why would they have made it so close? I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job, too. It's apathetic voters like you that cause all this bullshit. You know who is supposed to hold the government accountable? YOU. With your vote. What have you done to try to change the system, Larry? I mean, other than rambling (somewhat incoherently) about conspiracy theories and how the votes are all rigged, anyway. YES, it absolutely is our fault for the government we have. We are not Egypt. We have the power to legally affect change, and the avenues for doing so are right there for you. So do something, instead of moping about how none of this is our fault, we're all victims, waah waah. Sack up! What do you suggest as an alternative? How would Facebook and Twitter solve this problem? I'm curious what your suggestions are.

oops, the hanging Chad, sorry Gore, you lose. Ooh, perfect example, thanks. That election might not have been so close if more people had turned out to vote. That year's voter turnout was just over 50%. Think about that: only 25% of voting-age citizens bothered to show up to vote for Gore. And so Bush weasled his way in. Sad. If only more people had decided to make their voices heard in the ballot box, instead of moping around apathetically, the last 10 years might have been very, very different.

It kinda looks like a giant cooper mini

Thanks for all the hardwork you guys do, and for putting up with people like me. I Love CC.com. It has been the single greatest local resource for me. One day, I'll even start climbing again!

thx for the reco. Great movie! I wish I hda led half the life those guys did.