ericb

I suppose you are right being that I was not actually present during the last hundred years of archeology……as they dug up our forefathers bones…..so I just have to believe it was not all a hoax….of course I can go to the museum and see and touch the evidence….on the other hand what evidence is there that Jesus actually lived? NONE. What evidence is there that Caesar Augustus lived?....buncha written accounts??? The archaeological evidence of many old and new testament sites is no less relevant to biblical factualism than the fossil record is to evolution.

thanks, but what I asked for was a #5 tech friend

Jeremiah 12 1 You are always righteous, O LORD, when I bring a case before you. Yet I would speak with you about your justice: Why does the way of the wicked prosper? Why do all the faithless live at ease?

That actually happened to me at a party once. Well we've solved the mystery of what happened to JC's double-d rack

Which school did you go too? Are you high? There is so much evidence that points to evolution its scary.....on the other hand all you have of evidence of God is a book that humans wrote.....mmmmmmm KB - pretty sure that all the evidence of evolution that you are referring to you read about in a book that humans wrote, or on a website that humans coded, or on a TV show that humans produced.

They've been making whole viruses from scratch since 2002, bacteria's not far off. source? Is your Google broken? virus creation gets me a bunch of computer virus references - so at least give me some keywords....who's THEY? Is it a chemical reaction in conditions representative of the famous "primordial soup"???....do tell ahhh...http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2539-scientists-build-polio-virus-from-scratch.html Scientists have built the virus that causes polio from scratch in the lab, using nothing more than genetic sequence information from public databases and readily available technology....... Paul and her colleagues used chemical techniques to produce large segments of DNA corresponding to portions of the polio virus. They made one segment themselves, then ordered the rest from a company that routinely machine-generates DNA. Once they had all the segments, the team pasted the pieces together to produce one long stretch of DNA. They then used a commercially available enzyme to convert the DNA into RNA - the genetic form of the polio virus. Finally, they added the RNA to a soup made from human cells. This enabled the RNA to use the cellular machinery to create the proteins that complete the virus particles. The result was an infectious agent that could destroy cultured human cells and paralyse or kill mice in much the same way as the normal polio virus. No intelligent design at work here....all they needed were some human cells...wait a second....how would those get in the primordial soup

They've been making whole viruses from scratch since 2002, bacteria's not far off. source? Is your Google broken? virus creation gets me a bunch of computer virus references - so at least give me some keywords....who's THEY? Is it a chemical reaction in conditions representative of the famous "primordial soup"???....do tell

They've been making whole viruses from scratch since 2002, bacteria's not far off. source?

FW - what this tells me is that we were able, under conditions they thought were similar to early atmospheric conditions (later found to be incorrect) to synthesize roughly 1/2 of the essential amino acids. Not a living cell, or even a cell at all, but proteins. Also interesting is that was 54 years ago. 54 years later, with many brilliant minds literally wracking their brains to take this experiment to the next level, and still no success. The question is how many of the worlds most intelligent minds in science will it take to demonstrate that life could have just happened without any intelligence.

no, actually they'd say that a new species coudl well emerge in just a few hundred years, which is virtually no time at all in the fossil record, and could therefore by easily missed again, you're missing the point, the existence of evolution has zero to do w/ the existence of god - darwin believed in god and contemplated a life in the ministry prior to becoming a naturalist - einstein was no atheist. if there is a creator-god, clearly the numerous laws of science (thermondynamics, gravity, light, evolution, etc) were part of that creation... The entire history of evolution from the evolution of life from non-life to the evolution of vertebrates from invertebrates to the evolution of man from the ape is strikingly devoid of intermediates: the links are all missing in the fossil record, just as they are in the present world of course I beleive created law and order to his creation. SH...despite the fact that we are on the same team, I'd caution you to appropriately cite the sources from which you are cutting and pasting. Four lines with no spelling errors is a smoking gun if I ever saw one.

funny, that's the subject of my first day after the break the fall of rome seems to largely have been caused by christians and a general spread of idiots w/n the general population at large who were content to watch their leaders spend vast fortunes on foreign wars while totally neglecting the poor and downtrodden among them - but then, jayb's the one who actually read all of gibbon's classic on the subject, so maybe he'd chime in, if he weren't tired already of taunting the trogdolytes i would agree that evolution is not 1000% necessary for the teachign of my subject, but then, nothing is. if you don't like evolution though, please get the fuck out of my public school system and study whatever gets you off w/ the rest of your snake-handling ilk forgive the aggressive tone, btw - the in-laws are in town! Flying to the in-laws tomorrow so feel your pain. Fortunately the J-Tree trip was last week, so I can self-medicate with food and drink to numb the pain with no regards to the 5 lbs. I'll undoubtedly add to the mid-section.

Ahhh....why did Rome fall??? Well lets start with how old the sedimentary rock was that was under the building foundation.... Quite sure that starting with Ancient Mesopotamia be enough of a head start to get to these: stock-market, politics, current events, history, economics

except for the spontaneous creation of life with a chemical experiment that is

We've observed blackholes...we have not observed an experiment where life was spontaneously created by a chemical reaction to my knowledge.

It must be God's will. still waiting for references to experiments where life was spontaneously created...thanks....here til ~ 6pm

You can stand in front of a mirror and tell yourself whatever you want of it'll make yourself feel better, bud. After all, that's what you folks are trained to do. The U.S. Courts and public opinion don't quite gibe with your assessment, but then again, interpreting evidence (or presenting it) was never your strong suit. and still no answer

references to said experiments???

I'd say the tough shit is on your end, padre. The dumbshits you allow to represent you have been losing court cases by the bushel lately. Separation of church and state. Love it or leave it. If you don't like that in public schools, pony up the cash for private and STFU. let's make a deal...when you folks can spontaneously create life with a chemical reaction, you can teach evolution Nah. You come up with a non-religious competing scientific theory for evolution an we'll teach both. Oh, wait...you just tried that and lost. Deals? Why? Hey bud, we're already on top. 170 years of successfully tested theory and still going strong. Every day you delay just means more evidential proof for evolution. If you understood survival of the fittest, you might realize just how poor your bargaining position is at this point. If you can't explain why we'd NEED to teach evolution at all, why would I need to come up with a competing theory to teach along side it?....Still waiting. I'm declaring victory. Oh an by the way TTK, the miniscule gas mileage improvement of the smart car over other four-door subcompacts doesn't even begin to compensate for the lack of utility and safety.

I'd say the tough shit is on your end, padre. The dumbshits you allow to represent you have been losing court cases by the bushel lately. Separation of church and state. Love it or leave it. If you don't like that in public schools, pony up the cash for private and STFU. let's make a deal...when you folks can spontaneously create life with a chemical reaction, you can teach evolution - in the mean time, if you can explain why evolution should be considered a foundational science for a highschool curriculum, I'm still waiting. So far I heard "you have to teach it because its science" - thanks Ivan - why I didn't think of that is beyond me

Physics and economics are far more tactile and relevant than evolution.

And my point is.... You Ath/Ags hate Christians because we have become politically active for the purpose of forcing our morals down your throat. Actually, I disagree. I actually think the increasing political activity of the religious right is a defensive rather than an offensive manuver...and why....because in our minds, you are trying to fuck with the most precious thing in our lives (other than Jesus of course)...our kids. How mad do you ath/ags get when someone talks about god to your kids without your consent??? Think about it. There is no good reason to teach evolution to a 7th grader - it's not foundational natural science. It's completely assinine that a 15 year old would need parental consent for ear-piercing, but not for abortion. Many of the Christians I know are opposed to gay marriage because they read James Dobson's track that walked them through the logical progression of gay marriage legalization all the way through their kids being taught about gay sex in sex ed....I don't agree with Dobson, but that's the trajectory that's been painted. If the liberal left wants the religious right to stay out of their business, here's a great recommendation. Quit fucking with their kids. You want to have control over your bodies, minx et al, fine, but don't try and legislate away parental notification laws. As a parent we are legally and financially liable for everything our kids do until the turn 18. If my son excercised bad judgement at the age of 16, drove drunk, and paralized someone, I'd get sued into the poor house. It's a fucked up society when we are legally liable for their decisions, but can't parent them. Don't charge us with invasion of privacy for evesdropping on a phone coversation for instance. You don't want religious education taught in public schools, and we don't want anti-religious teaching taught in public schools. If you don't like the policalization of the religious right...tough shit....you've created your own monster.

how would a person be an ignoramus if they didn't learn evolution. Let's talk about career fields for which the understanding of macroevolution is critical. Well, lets see. Not much really. Understanding natural selection/evolution is only central to a few sideshow disciplines, like... ....agriculture, all the biological sciences, pharmacology, pathology, anthropology, paleantology, ecology, genetic engineering.... ...other than that, not much would suffer. First, sounds like understandin genetic mutations would suffice rather than Macroevolution....second, those sound like college majors to me....not highschool subjects - what does the AVERAGE US highschool student take that would REQUIRE understanding evolution. I took molecular biology in Highschool - I don't remember needing a background in macroevolution Look, you're starting the family, not me. If you want ignorant kids, by all means, find the right private school. I'm sure there's one out there for you and yours. nice non-answer dipshit....what highschool subjects?

how would a person be an ignoramus if they didn't learn evolution. Let's talk about career fields for which the understanding of macroevolution is critical. Well, lets see. Not much really. Understanding natural selection/evolution is only central to a few sideshow disciplines, like... ....agriculture, all the biological sciences, pharmacology, pathology, anthropology, paleantology, ecology, genetic engineering.... ...other than that, not much would suffer. First, sounds like understandin genetic mutations would suffice rather than Macroevolution....second, those sound like college majors to me....not highschool subjects - what does the AVERAGE US highschool student take that would REQUIRE understanding evolution. I took molecular biology in Highschool - I don't remember needing a background in macroevolution

how would a person be an ignoramus if they didn't learn evolution. Let's talk about career fields for which the understanding of macroevolution is critical.

How is it central to understanding the living world. More importantly, if it were left out of the curriculum, what specifically would our children be missing out on? Other than budding young paleontologists whose highschool education would be stunted if it were left out?