ericb

I'd say the tough shit is on your end, padre. The dumbshits you allow to represent you have been losing court cases by the bushel lately. Separation of church and state. Love it or leave it. If you don't like that in public schools, pony up the cash for private and STFU. let's make a deal...when you folks can spontaneously create life with a chemical reaction, you can teach evolution - in the mean time, if you can explain why evolution should be considered a foundational science for a highschool curriculum, I'm still waiting. So far I heard "you have to teach it because its science" - thanks Ivan - why I didn't think of that is beyond me

Physics and economics are far more tactile and relevant than evolution.

And my point is.... You Ath/Ags hate Christians because we have become politically active for the purpose of forcing our morals down your throat. Actually, I disagree. I actually think the increasing political activity of the religious right is a defensive rather than an offensive manuver...and why....because in our minds, you are trying to fuck with the most precious thing in our lives (other than Jesus of course)...our kids. How mad do you ath/ags get when someone talks about god to your kids without your consent??? Think about it. There is no good reason to teach evolution to a 7th grader - it's not foundational natural science. It's completely assinine that a 15 year old would need parental consent for ear-piercing, but not for abortion. Many of the Christians I know are opposed to gay marriage because they read James Dobson's track that walked them through the logical progression of gay marriage legalization all the way through their kids being taught about gay sex in sex ed....I don't agree with Dobson, but that's the trajectory that's been painted. If the liberal left wants the religious right to stay out of their business, here's a great recommendation. Quit fucking with their kids. You want to have control over your bodies, minx et al, fine, but don't try and legislate away parental notification laws. As a parent we are legally and financially liable for everything our kids do until the turn 18. If my son excercised bad judgement at the age of 16, drove drunk, and paralized someone, I'd get sued into the poor house. It's a fucked up society when we are legally liable for their decisions, but can't parent them. Don't charge us with invasion of privacy for evesdropping on a phone coversation for instance. You don't want religious education taught in public schools, and we don't want anti-religious teaching taught in public schools. If you don't like the policalization of the religious right...tough shit....you've created your own monster.

how would a person be an ignoramus if they didn't learn evolution. Let's talk about career fields for which the understanding of macroevolution is critical. Well, lets see. Not much really. Understanding natural selection/evolution is only central to a few sideshow disciplines, like... ....agriculture, all the biological sciences, pharmacology, pathology, anthropology, paleantology, ecology, genetic engineering.... ...other than that, not much would suffer. First, sounds like understandin genetic mutations would suffice rather than Macroevolution....second, those sound like college majors to me....not highschool subjects - what does the AVERAGE US highschool student take that would REQUIRE understanding evolution. I took molecular biology in Highschool - I don't remember needing a background in macroevolution Look, you're starting the family, not me. If you want ignorant kids, by all means, find the right private school. I'm sure there's one out there for you and yours. nice non-answer dipshit....what highschool subjects?

how would a person be an ignoramus if they didn't learn evolution. Let's talk about career fields for which the understanding of macroevolution is critical. Well, lets see. Not much really. Understanding natural selection/evolution is only central to a few sideshow disciplines, like... ....agriculture, all the biological sciences, pharmacology, pathology, anthropology, paleantology, ecology, genetic engineering.... ...other than that, not much would suffer. First, sounds like understandin genetic mutations would suffice rather than Macroevolution....second, those sound like college majors to me....not highschool subjects - what does the AVERAGE US highschool student take that would REQUIRE understanding evolution. I took molecular biology in Highschool - I don't remember needing a background in macroevolution

how would a person be an ignoramus if they didn't learn evolution. Let's talk about career fields for which the understanding of macroevolution is critical.

How is it central to understanding the living world. More importantly, if it were left out of the curriculum, what specifically would our children be missing out on? Other than budding young paleontologists whose highschool education would be stunted if it were left out?

because evolution is taught in science classes, and ID is not science. why does evolution need to be taught in a classroom?

So tell me this....why is it that atheists/agnostics are so vehemently opposed to the mentioning of intelligent design alongside evolution in a classroom setting?

Your question is so easy, it's almost rhetorical. The question is, if we watched him get buried up to his chin in an avalanche, without anybody else around (except the reader of course) in subzero temperatures, in a very remote area, with 15 minutes of daylight left, would we dig him out? Now that's a legitimate question. To make it trickier, lets assume you have knowledge only of his character and not the fact that he has enough banked calories and natural insulation to keep him warm for several days.

I see my suspicions that it will evolve into an anti-bolt tirade soon are coming to fruition with the arrival of Raindawg. Office pool anyone, or will the good fight continue unabated as is? I feel dirty and think I lost 15 IQ points after posting here. Hmmmm I had a related thought when Lizard Brain jumped in an told us to shut up. Why in the world would we spend 60 ppg. talking about something as meaningless as religion when there's still that bolt on South Early Winters Spire - protecting a 5.0 move no less....now that would be worth all this hot air.

Actually, it is for Christ's sake that some of continue to argue...ironically

That just doesn't make any sense. If there is a Satan then there is by implication, a God. Why would you chose to burn in hellfire and damnation for all of eeternity? Oh, sorry. Wait a minute. It's Kevbone..... Never mind. Bug....please don't try and convert Kevbone. It would kind of ruin heaven as I understand it, and I want something to look forward to.

Heard it on NOVA???....Wow...that's weak...even for you

TTK....how is it that evolution is the most successfully tested theory in all of science? Where did you get that gem?

why is this any different than the attempt to infuse non-christian values by interest groups - is the agenda of these groups less "narrow"

Bwaaaaa-haa-haa! No one is trying to force you back into the closet KKK, least of all the ACLU. We fully support your agenda. you're public display of religion is just as offensive to me as the pic of the flying spaghetti monster/sistine chapel is to you. think about it. There's a difference here Minx...a big one.....our public display of religion is not done to cause offense....some people choose to be offended by it. The spaghetti monster, smoking jesus, stories of using bible pages as TP etc., is to offend christians, and to the extent that it's done to amuse fellow atheists, it's only amusing because it offends christian....it's a question of motives.

well said So let me get this straight....Christians are the judgemental and intolerant ones???

what...no mailbox peak....WTF???

and planned parenthood....so what's your point? http://www.gatesfoundation.org/UnitedStates/PacificNorthwest/CommunityGrants/Grants/Grant-42715.htm

that's an ironic statement coming from a mountie

Feck...how much is a one-ride ticket at Whistler +/-?

Matt - I've been very involved with one church in Spokane, one in Dallas, and four in Seattle, and not once has there been any directive from the pulpit or church leadership, implied or otherwise on how to vote or what the "Christian" party is.

My theory is that what drives this reaction to Christianity is the perceived mental posture of Christians. I think reality is that evangelism (overt or covert) for most christians who do it is driven by compassion. Unfortunately the posture of some/many of the more vocal evangelicals has an perceived tone of either superiority (I'm enlightened and you are not), or pity (poor little sinner - if you only knew what was going to happen to you). I'm no psychologist, but as guy, I'd far rather be hated than looked down on or pitied. Perhaps that's why many folks out there seem far more tolerant of Muslim fundamentalism than they are of Christian fundamentalism.

Bug - I don't see a connection between the disparate thoughts here and the current state of the Native American peoples. Was the genocide committed by Christian Missionaries? How much of the land taken from the tribes is being used to grow corn for ethanol, wind-farms, etc. Are the Democrats who are pushing for alternative fuel sources really to blame rather than Christians?