ClimbingPanther

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I only get mad at slow drivers, and since you're from OR, I could never be mad at you

No really, I'm confused. Your posts are so numerous and monotonous, you're not even succeeding at making people mad. Sucka!!! I, like others, feel sorry for you that this is how you spend your time, making up countless new avatars on cascadeclimbers.com, only to suck at trying to make people mad. What did you do before the accident, anyway?

I'm never trusting my life to anyone posting on this thread... Edit:Arrrrgh! Avast, ye landlubbers (acidlubbers?), me done forgots what forum I was posting in. Shiver me timbers!

Exactly what we are all thinking about now. I am truly baffled at what your point is.

Would anything be funnier than making kevbone's post count always read "1" ?????

Yes, thanks for beta from everyone in the past few weeks. Going to make a weather-dependent effort on some undecided but easy route on Sunday morning, Dec 31, probably S.S.

in hell. it's always INFINITY %, except on Sundays, which they don't even have in hell.

NO!!! I get the "Accidents in North American Mountaineering" book every year at Christmas, and without fail, there is always an accident involving someone who sat down to slide down the snow with crampons on. If you enjoy compound fractures of your tibia/fibula, then this is THE activity for you. If that does not sound like fun, then never, ever do this, period. Someone who knew better and was just sliding a short distance to test the conditions for glissading even got injured, so don't try it. I wonder what is the best way to get the word out on this? I think it should be in the instructions for crampons, and all renters should make it a point to say this. This is THE most unnecessary (and preventable) injury in mountaineering.

I'm w/ Layton on this, except I go for the midweight capilene. I love the weave where it has little air pockets on the inside that keep you warm, and that's what makes Patagonia better than knock-off. Polypro, in my experience, is noticeably stinkier than polyester (and nylon is less smelly than either, which is why I go for nylon/spandex underwear).

By both of our reasonings, yeah, it doesn't work for health care, but I don't think it sucks and doesn't work. I think it's beautiful when there is a normal case of supply and demand. The consumer driven market takes care of itself for the benefit of all with little oversight except for basic ground rules against improper use of the market by price fixing, monopoly, etc. The invisible hand massages the good companies and spanks the bad ones better than any government could.

and sick of being tired? poor thing, catch-22 hey Timmay, can you suggest a worthwhile free alternative to x-c'ing at Bachelor? I go there every year w/ my good friend (trip coming up Prez Day weekend), but if there's good scenery to be had for free, I'm all about that.

PBS just had a special on giant squids a couple weeks ago, before this development. Thanks for the link!

note: not in 'spray' forum, so while a little is OK, don't sidetrack this too much please The US health care system is too expensive. I think it is an inherent weakness in capitalism, since the "demand" is often not quantifiable in dollars and the supply is severely limited. How much is your life and health worth? This is why we will always keep going to doctors, no matter what it costs us. Of course, when presented with an opportunity to make unlimited cash, a capitalist system will indeed find ways to generate that cash. Higher salaries for doctors? No prob, they're in artificially limited supply for many reasons, like licensing (which is a good thing that they're tightly controlled or we'd have bigger problems). Malpractice lawsuits and resulting malpractice insurance industry? Not going to cripple the industry b/c costs are just passed on to the customer. Where else are they going to go? This is the problem, that there is nowhere else to go, yet we must have the service offered and have no choice but to pay whatever is charged. There's no competition between doctors because there's not enough of them. Patients must compete for available doctors and often (older people esp.) must be willing to pay out of pocket since doctors have the luxury of choosing which customers can pay them the most. [[[ personal side note: My grandma has obvious congestive heart failure, but literally no doctor would take her until someone opened a new practice recently, simply b/c she's Medicare and that doesn't pay well. When she finally got tested, she had a BNP of 2300. It's a wonder she's not dead right now. ]]] Is there such thing as a healthy mix of capitalism and medicine? What needs to change? More doctors to create enough supply to actually have such a thing as supply and demand? Many potential doctors don't practice b/c of malpractice, esp here in WA. I think malpractice lawsuits are a big problem and do not have the intended effect. Look at where the money comes from. The doctor doesn't pay a red cent, except like all doctors, he pays his premium and keeps on practicing, passing the bill for the premium on to the rest of us. So people get compensated for their injuries (not a bad thing) BUT the doctor is not put out unless he gets too many judgments against him. We are stuck with the tab, but not only for the victim's compensation... for massive lawyers fees too. This is not a good thing. It's a drain on the system. But that's just one thought I have. How bout some dissidents or alternative theories?

Can we have "Post of the Week" awards? Pleeeze!

Trip: Rainier - DC w/ Emmons var. Date: 8/11/2006 Trip Report: Here's another long overdue TR. I, my two sisters, and one of their friends from work set out to git the big one Friday night, driving into a beautiful sunset with Rainier on the horizon We slept in the car or on the ground outside, registered in the morning, and started up around 8:00 am. Weather was wonderful with a few insignificant clouds and no wind. Nothing worth remembering on the Muir snowfield, though we did run across a snow snaffle. At Muir: At Muir, we found it a little funny that they have a handicap bathroom. That's right, a handicap bathroom at 10,000 feet. If that wasn't funny enough, the note on the door was the real killer: I don't think it was in service, but definitely good for laughs. Started out for Cathedral Gap across the Cowlitz, and as we neared the other side, one sister started getting really tired and didn't think she'd make it to the top of the gap, so we rested a while and she drank a half liter of my homemade energy drink (discussed elsewhere on this site), which gave her what she needed to get over the gap. It was about this time when we had a distant encounter with the elusive Rock Dachschund. Above Muir: Ingraham glacier had some impressive holes in it. Those are people and tents up to the left, for some scale. We set up camp on pre-made platforms, ate & boiled water. Of course, around 9:00 just as we were going to bed, another group came in and began setting up camp 2 feet away, and proceeded to boil water, which they continued until we left at 1:30am. We left the one tired sister behind to rest and enjoy the morning views at camp. Not a breath of wind as we started up, just the *crunch crunch crunch* of crampons, tinkle of metal, and our own heavy breaths under a pristine night sky. Made our way up the cleaver with no problems. A wayward group was scolded harshly by one of the pro guides for getting above everyone on the trail where they could kick rocks down on us. Above the cleaver, the route turned right to traverse over to the Emmons, since the normal DC route was too broken to go up. We played leap frog along the trail until the sun rose and we rested for 10 minutes or so. What an amazing place to be when it lights up the mountain through a thick haze of red smoke! Was WWI fought here? The trenches are unbelievable! Aaaaaahhh. We continued up to the top with as much glee as can be had when you're working hard. Was I yodeling or yawning here? I don't know. We carved out nice dual-cheek-shaped thrones to sit on while we ate. We had wonderful naps in the thin but very still atmosphere, under an ever-increasing UV lamp. The summit crater seems to have the most impressive trench of the whole trail to the top. I think you could bivy in it and be completely protected. We checked out some of the cave system and found some cool sights, along with an unfortunate blue-bag dumping station. At least that stuff was out of sight and bagged, which is more than I can say for this: Get a life, people! You brought it up, bring it down! We lingered quite a while on the summit to let the masses get finished with rush-hour on the cleaver. Emmons from above: Coming down, we got a rad shot of the gnarly crux: Here's our camp from above. And some more big cracks. I was surprised given its reputation, but there were no close calls with rocks on the cleaver. My sister who stayed at camp said she heard the noises begin just after sunrise and they didn't stop all morning, but we had a good experience thankfully. Nothing much of note for the rest of the way down, just an annoying endless descent filled with envy for the skiers. It was a first for me and my summitting sister, though the friend from work had been up before once or twice. The worst part was when we got back to Paradise and called for reservations at the National Park Inn, and they gave us some joke about being booked for 2 hours! I've been in there twice before and had to wait 30-45 min. while watching tons of open tables remain open, so I know they were full of it. Olive Garden wasn't bad though. Gear Notes: nothing unusual Approach Notes: follow the yellow brick road

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In a related story, tomorrow morning Rosie O'Donnell will be discussing the need for requiring all climbers & outdoors types to have a supply of barbecue sauce with them at all times.

Excellent point, mtnmouse. The different varieties of citrus fruits contain various amounts of important nutrients. While an orange is large and full of nutrients, making it perfect for an Everest expedition (this is all we took for food when I did Everest), tangerines are lower in nutrients yet are much lighter which means they are better suited for fast and light expeditions. However, if you were stuck in a snow cave, I would say an orange would be better, due to its larger size and more nutrients. So, with 20-20 hindsight, we should learn that oranges and tangerines are different, and each person must make his/her own decision on which type to bring, or if both should be brought. There is no right answer to this question, we all must decide for ourselves and can't question the choice of others since we're not in their situation.

Haven't seen you post in a while, OlegV. Great story and GREAT pics, guys! Way to come back whole too. Yocum Ridge will always be there, though a little less each day, eh? You'll get it. Bravo.

Here's my own thoughts... If indeed (most likely scenario) the two left down cooper/NF and they wound up at the base of the NF by slip or avalanche, there will be no body recovery no matter what the melt off. That is a massive accumulation zone and I imagine anything that winds up there gets pushed down into the center of the glacier, not to resurface until it comes out the snout of the glacier. If that is the case, I feel extra sympathy for the family because not having a body to put to rest is very difficult emotionally and also for insurance purposes. They will have a difficult time getting any life insurance payout to help keep up with the bills that will start stacking up. I'm not sure I understand why Phil & Shini keep wasting their time on this site. They must understand that nobody cares about their opinion. Trolls that persistent don't deserve replies, even in spray, so stop encouraging them, please!