If thats what came out of your ass, do you mind if I have a closer look around in there. I could not agree with you more. The thing is that we do not have to blindly follow the teknotracks of these wankers but these endevours can still be ours under any terms we choose. Not that I want to set out with nought but a cedar bark outfit or anything but there is an indiviual line that we all draw, and deep inside we know what the difference is.