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Thanks Joseph. I can't make anymore blink, animate, or otherwise make it more obvious for you that I know the hikers trail to the top will ever close for peregrine nesting. I don’t think is will close. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy in not closing it. That is all. Nothing more. We apparently disagree, that is cool. That is what is neat about being friends. Have a good one.

Thanks Bill….actually that is not what I was trying to say……but, if you follow your logic through…..then it becomes clear that the powers to be only care about not inconveniencing the tax payers and do not give a shit about our rare birds. If they did actually care about the birds…..equality for the masses would ensue. I have lost all faith in the people in charge who make decision on what to do with our tax money. AKA IRAQ. Either way….we can do nothing about it on the web here. This forum is for discussions such as this. Take care.

I find it odd that the people in charge (who ever they are) can close one trail to protect the birds...but not the other trail to protect the birds, especially since the “other” trail poses a much more significant threat to the birds.

Right on Joseph. Have a good one.

Dave….I sure don’t want the hiking trail to close as long as they don’t close the south side to climbing. To me….they are one in the same. Don’t you get it? To close the rock climbing part of beacon but not the major user group is complete bullshit. To me…..when the people who are in charge of the birds make a decision like they do ever y year at Beacon, it shows me they are completely incompetent to have this authority. It is VERY poor decision making with little to no respect for peregrine falcons. Then they make people like me out to be the bad guy because I don’t like it and say something about it. Screw that………I am not the bad guy here. I have a deep and rich respect for all birds especially peregrines, mostly because I have seen them up close and personal for the last 13 years at Beacon. I am not sure I can explain myself any more clearly. Take care.

This gives a new definition for the term “bag lady”.

That is because no one cares about Teiton.

There is no such thing as a left wing goon.

This "whale skull" sits in our garden out in front.

OK...so I got the "who" has the power wrong. But you get my point? Right? Would the WDFW close all of Beacon if the birds decided to nest on top? Or super close to the trail? Because if they would not close it……..then I hope you would see the hypocrisy in the closures and maybe point your “awesome” energy into bypassing the rangers and go right to the heart of the matter in Olympia. I don’t care what climbers make themselves look like…..and neither should you because it about the birds….right? The birds are the number one attention getter here right? I also understand there is a balancing act and you are doing your best to not fall to one side or the other……good for you. But…..the undeniable fact remains that the climbers are complete and total scape goats for letting the birds nest successfully year after year when the thousands of tourists flock all over beacon from ALL angles, yelling and screaming and taking pisses in the woods. Throwing there trash off the sides. I don’t think it is pointless to keep shouting at the top of my lungs (on the web) to close the main trail. It’s not pointless at all. It may never happen….but it is not pointless. I must stand by my morals just like you. Bush may never be held accountable for bankrupting this country and stand trial for high crimes and war crimes…..but we still must try to see that that happens. Same thing here. All I ask for is equality for all user groups at Beacon. Right now the balance is not 50 50. It is 99% to 1 %. Its crap and we all know it.

"Swinging low"?

Pink....you dont get to guess.

Joseph. What do you think would happen if the bird decided to nest on top of Beacon? Say 20 feet from the top on the east side. Would the WSP close the hiking trail then? How close do the birds have to nest to the trail of thousands before the WSP takes the tourists threat seriously? I am all for the birds and the closure if I thought it were done in a constructive manner. But to close “just the south face” to 1% of the user group is totally ludicrous. It makes no sense. This is why I call the entire process/thinking/closure total bullshit. If the state REALLY gave a serious shit about these birds….they would do the responsible thing and close the ENTIRE rock. I can see and have always seen that we will not agree on this. That is OK and this is a fine forum to discuss our disagreements. Have a mentioned a big thanks to you for going out to monitor out little friends?

Should others avoid it also?

Get well soon snoop.

I think the most important issue is the fact that the entire closure is BULLSHIT. Close the rock to a user group that is like maybe 50 strong. But leave it open to the hundred of thousand who use it. Why am I the only one to see this? THE BIRDS ARE NOT ENDANGERED ANYMORE. Peregrines nest on most of the skyscrapers in downtown Portland. They nest on the Freemont Bridge. Do the skyscrapers close down? Does the bridges close down? I know….I know….the rangers at the park level have nothing to do about it. I know that my one voice has no power. I also bitching about it on the interweb will do nothing. It still feels good (just like JH said). I love birds. But this particular closer is BULLSHIT through and through. Every piece of it. Do they even have the legal right to act upon a random bird? Did I mention that Peregrines are not endangered anymore? I climbed out there before they started closing the rock. That was back when they were endangered and the birds nested successfully every year. The climbers and the birds all got along just fine. CC tell us to “if there are birds there, let them be”…..I don’t see you at the trail head every weekend with a sign trying to get 99% of the user group to stop hiking on the rock. I don’t think anyone gets it. If someone blatantly shot all the birds at Beacon in front of all the rangers and confirmed there was NO Peregrines there anymore. They would still close the rock….for old times sake. It would give them something to look forward too……. A big thanks to Joe for putting his personal time in to jump through the hoops. Did I mention peregrines are not endangered anymore? Joseph….for a guy who is an incredibly liberal thinker…..you sure are one conservative bro in terms of rock climbing. Not that that is a bad thing….its just weird.

Why does the trail need to be closed?

Archie and Minx? Nope...I do have a picture of Minx.....I dont think she would be very happy if I posted of her.

Oh, the moral outrage! And 'enemy'! Oh, lordy now I'm feeling so victimal all over again - and as predictable as menstral cramps - clearly it's that time of the year again... The trail got closed because they repeatedly had people up under the East Face roofs two winters ago and that closed it. I have to agree with Ivan on this. Its bullshit to close the "HIKING" trail. So by that standard JH....if someone is caught climbing on the NORTH face left of the water fountain......they would close the parking lot? Sounds like someone (the rangers) are getting fat and lazy. Buck up butter cup and hike down there to patrol it.

Yeah, the GOOD part. I plan to hit the west/north side routes again soon though. funny, i was planning on putting a giant bolt ladder in Funny you should say that. Jim told me years ago he wanted to put a "BOLT LADDER" right over the roof where the trail meets the rock, where the sign is. I think you tried a route there a while back. This was Jims idea.

Only "part" of Beacon is closed.

Joseph. Come come you changed your log in name?

Anyone have a 3 foot wooden owl?

That's a pretty fucking bold statement to make with no metric with which to measure against. Now that's what I call a cop-out. The metric is the fact that I like every musician Feck has mentioned and he clearly does not like alot of who I post.