kevbone

Well, we could do it yesterday if you wanted to work under the same standards of environment, law, and opportunities for your own children as the Bush administration. Maybe you should have put in for one of BushCo's 'last-60-days' environmental rule change specials to get rid of the closure and the Peregrines. Kind of all falls under the "damn straight I'm for the environment so long as it feels goood, is convenient, and doesn't affect me in the slightest way" sort of deals from my perspective. Haven’t we been down this road before? Didn’t we come to a conclusion that I am right and you are wrong? Just kidding. I suppose at the end of the day I am just looking for equality. For the land managers to treat ALL user groups the same at Beacon. When candy bar wrappers and coke cans get found in the nest, it is a good indication that they were thrown there from daily hikers, not climbers. This would indicate that the 600,00 hikers a year that climb up Beacon’s hiker trail would potentially due more harm that the 50-100 climbers that climb their yearly. It is not good when the land managers state openly in a public meeting that “they do not want anyone within 300 of the nest”, and the trail to the top comes within 200 of the nest. If that is the case then by his own definition of “boundaries” for the closure……he needs to CLOSE THE ENTIRE ROCK. The hypocrisy is astounding. I love Beacon Rock. I love Peregrine falcons. I do not like scapegoats. Equality is what is lacking in this particular drama.

When we will be able to prove that the birds are not endangered anymore?

I would put money on that fact that we like the all the same music. With one exception.....I like so much more than you.

Take your hand and place it on the little rounded plastic thingy with the long tail coming out of it (it's called a mouse) sitting next to you, and move it around to cause the little arrow thingy to move up into that rectangular box thingy (that's called an address bar) at the top of your screen (that's the TV-looking-thingy in front of you). Once your little arrow thingy is in that box thingy, type these letters (using the keyboard thingy with all of those pretty letters and stuff sitting in front of you): w - w - w - . - g - o - o - g - l - e - . - c - o - m and then move your little arrow thingy over to the little icon (that's a symbol thingy) that looks like a couple of green arrows chasing each other, or whatever else your particular operating system's platform may use for the "Enter" action. Then, if you wait just a little bit, this really really cool website thingy called "Google" will come up on your screen (that's the TV-looking-thingy again). This really really cool website thingy called Google will also have a rectangular box thingy (it's another address bar - imagine that!), right in the middle of your TV-looking-thingy. Now, use that keyboard thingy again to type in these letters: o - t - t - m - a - r - - l - i - e - b - e - r - t and do that "Enter" thingy again. Wait a little bit again, and you will see all sorts of different places (called websites, again) where you can go and find videos (those are like, short movies) to look at of this Ottmar guy playing this guitar thingy that you are so wrapped up in. Good luck, let me know if you have any trouble figuring this out, m'kay? thanks for the sarcasm....good time. But....that is a huge cop out on your part. This is a music thread....most people just want to be lazy and click and watch. If you want to throw names around....try posting a link or a youtub. Just a thought.... Oh yeah....its not about who is better.

On the brain?

Feck. I post a video of steve via and you think that is all I listen too? Have you not see all the flamenco/latin/jazz posts of mine? Music is sooooo subjective. I do have a Pantera love that will never go away. I have heard of most of the people you listed above. And enjoy there music.

Post it Sobo.

Just to be clear. What is the consensus reason for pulling them?

[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUVuXgy3CVY

Who said anything about no liking Neil? I just dont think he is know for having great guitar solo's.

Spray

More cool stuff..... [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3vppeJcsd0

Pretty frickin cool..... [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ9jrBg4Lwc

Try climbing "the crumbling" at the zone without stick clipping the first bolt......if you mess it up you will break your back.

Hot for teacher is like 46. WTF? Neil Young has a solo ahead of it....this list sucks donkey dicks. But I do like reading about the solos.

He is amazing, thoughtful, has a big heart and handsome? I don’t think so.

I put one together at home dept for under $20.

So....now we are five pages deep. What is to be done with these new bolts? Anyone.....anyone?

Who thinks like this? I see 5 pages of people who care.

Very inclusive of you, then it's simply a matter of context and taste whether you appreciate it or not - well, there you have it. Music is a matter of taste. Calling a bolt ladder that you ascend not a climb is not being factual.

Climbing means to ascend. So by the actual definition, this was climbing. Or do you mean…..YOU do not see it as climbing? Music means making noise. So by the actual definition, pretty much anything is music... Yes

Mark....I was not judging you. I could really care less. It’s just there are bolts high on this wall that are not in the Olson guide. I am sure they were placed on rappel. This route you are referring to is apparently unfinished. I never heard a peep from the community. Now someone shows up and adds more bolts to this littered wall and the community wont stand for it. Seems weird to me. But oh well…….

Climbing means to ascend. So by the actual definition, this was climbing. Or do you mean…..YOU do not see it as climbing?

Who put the bolts in? You? Tom? or (other guy, cant remember his name)? Why is there a lone bolt 12 feet up from the roof? This bolt I am referring too is about 6 feet up and left of the bolt ladders last bolt.

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