Ricardo_Montalban

it was a political statement Bears Against Bush!!

Mazamas are located in portland. some people like their style, some don't.

DNC: http://www.skywriting.com/misc/pics/free-speech-pen/ Bush: http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/feature.html and the answer is...neither

Zima

now that's creepy!

curious... are you guys referring to terrain, ethics, overcrowding, other?

there is absolutely no doubt who is the greatest political buffoon of our times. GW has surpassed Quayle by leaps and bounds. how's this for a not unusual stupid quote... link

bragg rules!

phish was great in 1990, seeing them with 100 other people. the bigger the venue, the worse they got

you may want to take a closer look at your timetable. it is 3 weeks and 6 days tippy top???

so...since i'm in the minority i should keep my opinions to myself? i thought this was a discussion. swaterfall: i completely agree that there are more pressing 'wilderness' detractors than the registers, however; 1. that is not the subject of this thread, and 2. one issue doesn't render the other moot

As the length of this thread shows, not everyone agrees. what's your point?

I value a wilderness area without litter, as I'm sure many others do. Too much trash encountered can destroy (or at least scar) that experience (unless I find a Hustler!).

how are registers NECESSARY for anyone???

most often i don't. when i'm on a trail i do expect to see the usual crap along a trail like trash, cig butts, poop/tp, etc. and i do my best to collect and remove that trash (except for the poop). where would you like me to send them? edit: good idea AF, i'll send them to the mountaineers, COD

I believe that registers are trash and am surprised to see so many contrary opinions. The only benefit of a register (that I have heard so far) is inspiring newbie climbers by reading entrys and making their own. Otherwise, the 'first ascent', 'a historical record' for proof, and 'it's a tradition' reasons are solely to stroke your ego. Who the fuck cares if you have FA, or have a record from 3 years ago so you can prove that you summited. wilderness areas are set aside for visitors looking for a wild experience. encountering motorized vehicles, large parties, and trash all detract from the definition of 'wild'...which is why they're banned. Leaving trash behind is also illegal and unethical. Registers also take away from the experience I consider 'wild'. Does NOT having a register take away from your wilderness experience? Larry the Tool & AlpineFox, let me know if you want another garbage hauler on your next cleaning expedition.

I'm tired of this christian right-wing directed 'scientific' research. She purposely left out the electricity!?!?!! If only she added electricity to the charcoal and vitamins...who know's what crazy organism she could have given life to!!

hopefully that trash was removed and properly disposed of. nice tr ephraim!

!! whoo hoo!! my first unless i'm missing something, that site only describes forces required to pull the weight. i didn't see anything about forces of the weight and hauling the weight against the anchor/s. not saying you're wrong, just still not convinced.

alien DNA in your water. the incubation period is over!! DESTROY IMMEDIATLY!!!!!!

ok, i'll admit i'm a relative newbie on the subject, but this doesn't jive. Direction of force: even with a basic z-system the forces are pulling towards the crevasse. you are pulling away from it, but the force on the anchor is coming from the secondary pully. multiplied force: force of haulers X force (weight) of hualee. i know this is over simplified, and someone else would better exlpain it. am i out in left field here?

public land is public land. no one can claim rights or ownership (unless you're a multimillion $ mining corporation...but that's another thread) it's my understanding that any motorized equipment (gas / electric) is illegal in wilderness areas, even for the land managers (although, exceptions are granted) would i go out to climb it? yes. i would not 'rat' them out to the land managers though, since it would open the location up to probable bureaucratic mayhem. i believe management/policing from the users of the area is the best option.

yeah, my post looks like i'm recommending zips. i don't! i had trouble with mine, crashed my system, had to zero out HD and start over, and i still have a corrupt zip disc full of irreplaceable data that i can't bring myself to throw away. it sits there on my desk and taunt's me. hey, anyone wanna buy a zip drive? (no exp with mkey)

there are devices called 'memory keys' but the products that came up on a google search didn't seem to hold much. zip drives (iomega) hold 100, 250, and ?? MB of data

thanks for the info, shred!