John Frieh

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man you really dont like me do you?

little man: what have i beaten about lately? GP was 4 years ago...

Pink may have climbed el cap eight times or whatever and yes that is super rad but what has he done lately? When was the last time he climbed el cap? Was it in this decade? Pink reminds me of the classic "Uncle Rico Napoleon Dynamite" type... sure he may have taken his HS team to State and loves to tell you about it but you ask him what is going on in his life now and you get a blank stare... maybe pink is retired from climbing?

Oh Rudy... rough day @ work? What are you all butt hurt about? For all the shit you have given me over the years one would think you could take a joke every once in awhile... guess not! I used the 5.13 example to try and illustrate that standards have risen and therefore "what is moderate" does also... I'm not calling 5.13 moderate... but being that 5.13 is no longer cutting edge that also means that though some/all 5.10s are moderate IMO now a days 5.11+/12- could be considered "moderate" at least in some people's opinion... or as they say "your mileage may vary" Personally I rather see a thread of "climbs one enjoyed"... I think those type of threads make cc a great resource Hugs and kisses Your all time favorite punching bag NOLSe

Porter: you might want to enable the "6 stars" rating option on this one... WOW Joe! Awesome TR! How long were you on the road for this one? Do you think the Phoenix, AZ climbs are still good to go or are they getting too hot already?

and some interest with summer just around the corner! Let's see some lists! Bonus points for - pics or link to a TR - not being in WA or OR

Nice Darin! Now we are talking!

I dont know... you could list some climbs you thought were cool and add the disclaimer "mileage will vary" perhaps?

So for instance, under that definition, the Rupal Face is moderate? Huntington in winter? To be more serious, using that criteria, Astroman belongs pretty high on the list. God damn you guys love to split hairs. Just list some routes you thought were cool

I call bullshit. "moderate" has little to do with what the world's best athletes are doing. "moderate" has to do with what a majority of the athletes are doing. A synonym of "moderate" is "average". The world's best marathon runners can finish in a little over 2 hours. By your definition, a "moderate" finishing time would be around 3 hours. After all, 3 to 3.5 hours is achievable if you train. In truth, less than 10% of marathon runners finish in less than 3.5 hours. The average is 4.5 hours to finish. Sorry, I had to bring some logic into the discussion. Using slipstream as an example the majority of the climbing world doesnt find WI4+ hard... just all the NW punters 5.13 doesnt make the mags anymore because more of the population is climbing it... as standards rise so does (or should) the ability level of the "next generation"

On cc.com? I'd say maybe 10 or so posters on this page are climbing routes that aren't "moderate" ***sidenote*** and that is totally cool... every one climbs for different reasons and to push themselves. But if someone thinks they should toot their horn because they aided their way up the girth pillar they need to STFU.

Seriously, John: that is your definition of "moderate?" If I can drag my butt up something it has to be moderate... if not newbie material In my highly objective personal opinion moderate is something a majority of the climbing population could climb with some personal challenge. As the cutting edge/edge of the envelope gets pushed further and further to me what is "moderate" becomes harder and harder... ...using slipstream as an example this year on the north face of snowdome (around the corner from slipstream for those of you unfamiliar with snowdome) polarity (VI WI5+, 800m) went up... IMO this is cutting edge... no not the hardest thing done to date but definitely a step up from slipstream... that would make slipstream more moderate IMO. Fair?

Soloed in the late 80s.

- Max # of burpess in 20 minutes. If you can do 200+ in 20 minutes see if you can do 300+ in 30 minutes. - Row 5000 meters as fast as possible. For every 4 minutes that elapse get off the rower and do 20 pushups. The faster you row the less pushups you will have to do. - 5 pull ups 10 push ups 15 air squats (in that order) = 1 round. See how many rounds you can get in 20 minutes. 1 round a minute is respectable. - squat ladder: With a continuously running clock, use a 45# bar and perform one back squat the first minute, two back squats the second minute, three back squats the third minute... Continue until you are no longer able to complete the required number of reps. Break up the # of squats any way you want as long as you finish all of them in the time allowed - At your favorite local football field: bear crawl 100 yards do 7 burpees = 1 round. Max rounds in 20 minutes. - 50 double unders, 50 situps, 40 double unders, 40 situps, 30 double unders, 30 situps, 20 double unders, 20 sit ups, 10 double unders, 10 situps. Do it as fast as you can. - GI Jane

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Seeking Paris and London beta. Send me a PM preferrable with your email addy if you have visited recently and wouldnt mind answering a few questions. TIA

Right on man... looking forward to it! About time a proper guidebook for the cirque came out. Really enjoyed Night Driving also... keep up the great work! And when is Trevor's book coming out?

The yellow Manu (pictured above) is the older style... it is 13L and I could get two pair of size 12 running shoes in it... yes a little tight but no prob. You can also see it here: http://www.grivelnorthamerica.com/products.php?gid=8&id=68 The new design (also yellow) can be seen here (also 13L): http://www.pagangear.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=300 My Manu is still going strong after ~5 years of "moderate" use.

Grivel Manu: looks great with a handlebar mustache! Back on topic: yes you can get two pairs of shoes in the Manu but not much else... I tend to reach for the manu on routes where I am planning on carrying just my stuff the entire route and not hauling and my partner doing the same... that pic was taken CNR of Stuie... both Brock and I took a Manu... just enough room for one's stuff. If you are planning on carrying all the "non climbing gear" (both pair of shoes, water, etc etc) then yes the Manu is too small... I personally use a CCW Valdez for trips like that where the second is going to carry everything (and or we haul the bag). Though the Manu integrated gear sling is kinda nice IMO it makes for a slower overall time on route as you have to unclip everything off the manu and hand it to your partner instead of just handing over an organized gear sling... I dont rack gear on mine. Other stuff I like about the Manu: hydration bladder hose hole in the top, lightweight and cheap! I should mention I own the older design. Hope this helps!

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