olyclimber

Here is a link to what the military press is saying. I don't know the slant (liberal/conservative) of these publications, but I would think they would be supportive of the military. "The entire affair is a failure of leadership from start to finish" is what they are saying if you don't want to click on the link.

I was going to label all the peaks, but I ran out of time, so I just posted it anyway. Maybe I'll put numbers on the peaks tonight and repost so people can name them. I can see the Brothers and Mt. Stone pretty obviously there. Also, here is a rough drawing of the route we took on an aerial photo. Also, on the far left is Destroyer.

Propaganda Hound

Panorama looking south from north of Point Schellin

I don't know him personally, but only from what he has posted here. And I'm not talking about his ability to do his job, whatever that is. I have no idea what his mission is, and in fact he might be very capable in his line of work. However, the use of 'towelhead' and the hate filled spew that is contained in his posts seem to indicate a person who is a racist and a bigot. Or maybe posting here is only a game he does to entertain himself. Sometimes people who post online are competely different in person. I hope this is the case, because every serviceman and woman over there that comes in contact with Iraqis are 'representing' our country.

The answer to your question is yes, please do. Thanks.

Unfortunately the rest of the world sees freaks like Mr. Gotterdamerung, and thinks all American's are blood-hungery, thoughless bigots like him. Fortunately there are conservatives that post on this board that do think for themselves (I'm not kissing ass here, but while I don't agree with many of his points, at least Fairweather wants to have a dialogue or debate, not some obscenity and insult laced rant). If Mr. G. is truly done with this thread, I say good riddance. And I'm glad he is coming home, because who wants a guy like that representing the US abroad.

Personally, I find dyneema thongs more supple. Hi snuggy. I think dyneema and spectra are the same thing. But when it comes to thongs, I'll leave it to you Notice that I didn't make it political...

I believe there is a controversial movie called "Fahrenheit 9/11" that links the Bush family to the Saudis. Mr. Gotterdamerung, I'm not sure if you're just flamebaiting or a blathering idiot, but I would appreciate it if you wouldn't refer to the reservist's over there as "unprofessional and stupid". My best friend is over there as a reserve, and I assure you that he is much more intelligent than you are. But I realize you're just talking trash to get "liberals" riled up. Good luck. I think there are others on this board that state the conservative view point much better, without making an ass of themselves as you have.

This is an interesting take on the situation, if I understand you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that the bottom line with what was/is wrong with the situation is not that torture actually took place, but that they documented it with photos?

Note to self: If I catch you reading a thread like this one all the way through again , I'm going to kick your ass. These are moments that cannot be recovered. Get a life!

Is this the thread where we have the political argument as to whether spectra thongs are the eighth essential?

Is this the thread about politics where everyone argues?

That movie was loosely based on the Stanford Prison Experiment. It is pretty messed up what people will do to each other in situations like that...

Gender specific cams. Discuss.

Or for women specific trekking poles for Mt. Si.

Didn't I see one of these in a Mountie thread? Is it really solar powered?

Could we get back to the seven essentials, please?

Anyone here have Dan make them a Zero SARC? What options/configuration did you go for? How is it working out for you? I've got an appointment to get myself some bling-bling next week.

Who is a punk now? You're so punk, you probably missed out on this opportunity to use your dividend, if you had one.

The "dividend" argument is pretty silly. I've never seen a more successful plan to get people to spend money that is already theirs! Oooh I have a $200 dividend! What will I spend it on? Idiots, that's money you have not spent yet! Take it back! Also, you don't get to apply purchases on the dividend to your future dividend. Yeah, there's some real savings. You obviously don't get the basic concept: The More You Spend, The More You Save. So, to break the cycle by not spending the dividend at REI, you end up costing yourself a lot of money. Now who is the idiot?

Birch Hound

I could probably 80 lbs up....but sure as hell, not back down! Nice TR, BTW. The canal is operated under contract by COSCO now, I believe. (the Chinese govt shipping company) I'm sure they have no idea that it is, in any way, of strategic value. OK, you got me My knees are still killing me. Not a good idea, bringing that much weight up.

Up to the lake, not the summit, Mr. F. Reread the TR. And I have 3 other people that can prove it happened. And none of them are Dan -. I take you've been on that trail a time or two...fun stuff. Anyway, any true JB'er wants the Canal back!

Drivers from many nations are used to move supplies. I think the thing that most people are confused about is that we are not here to provide employment for every iraqi out of a job. In less than 60 days sovereign rule returns to the Iraqi people. We are not here to create a welfare state. We are here to stand them up so they can get on with governing themselves. Pull backs in Fallujah and many other places show a growing sense of position that the changeover is near and that these problems are an Iraqi problem. We will assist them, but they are going to have to take care of business and quit being the little Bitches that they are (and they fuckin are). They can drive trucks and in fact I would say that the average Iraqi driver is a much better driver than the average American. If you've ever driven in the middle east, say Jordan or somewhere, then you will know what I mean. It's the most accident free chaos you have ever experienced. So anyway, in our country with large unemployment and democrats screaming about shifting jobs overseas are you saying you advocate giving jobs to foreigners instead of honest Americans trying to make a living? Besides, no the majority of Iraqi's are not nutjobs and most of the time things are quite quiet and free from violence. The media has all of it all sexed up and senstationalized to give this place the appearance of anarchy. The news media is the enemy as far as I'm concerned. Twisted and biased. Nonetheless, NO I would not give an Iraqi trust over any military supplies or food stuffs destined for CPA, Mil or otherwise. At any rate in a few weeks this shithole will be turned back over to these punks, we can consolidate everyone, detach more security for our convoys and kill every Iraqi motherfucker that tries to bang heads with us. Glad to hear that we have everything sewed up over there and yall should be coming home soon. And they said there would never be peace in the Middle East!