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BUT! I am optimistic about the Mariners and wish I was down there with you for the kissing Peter.

i'd like to believe roger, but i'm not sure i do. just look at the state of professional cycling...all those denyers, and almost all guilty.

french or ?

Oh, and keep the personal attacks out of my little thread. attack the idea, not the person. sickie

"When insurers like United create convoluted and dishonest systems for determining the rate of reimbursement, real people get stuck with excessive bills and are less likely to seek the care they need," Cuomo said in a statement. In one example, cited by the attorney general, "United insurers knew most simple doctor visits cost $200, but claimed to their members the typical rate was only $77. The insurers then applied the contractual reimbursement rate of 80 percent, covering only $62 for a $200 bill, and leaving the patient to cover the $138 balance." According to Cuomo's office, although United insurers and Ingenix are owned by the same parent corporation, United HealthGroup, when members complained their medical costs were unfairly high, the United insurers allegedly hid their connection to Ingenix by claiming the rate was the product of "independent research." The attorney general's notice of intent to sue names UnitedHealth Group and its subsidiaries, United HealthCare Insurance Company of New York, Inc., United Healthcare of New York, Inc., United Healthcare Services, Inc. and Ingenix. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4283890&page=1

looks like the PA gov. is saying that racism (specifically whites fearing a black president) will impact the election: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23134717/ sounds like the polls might be holding this up. compare this with Virginia, which is supposed to white, where Obama is leading Hillary with white male voters. interesting reversal (at least my understanding of north and south states).

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00015#top

ok...that is funnier than hell.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/11/russian.bomber/index.html

JayB, I know you might not have the time, but I would love to hear your critique of what Obama has to say here. It would seem that here is a candidate that should appeal to a person who is grounded in reason and rationale. How does he compare to the other candidates in your opinion. I think there are many unknowns, and it might be that because the current president lacks oratory skill that makes Obama seem so smart. maybe it is because of 8 years of mangled english and what i perceive as illogical thought (i could make a list, but you probably know what i'm talking about). but this guy just seems logical, pragmatic, and everything you would want in a president. I want to hear a reasoned, rational argument as to why Barack would not make a good president. This is a pretty long video but it does provide quite a bit of insight. I know there are the usual divisive arguments that could be made (he'll be pro-abortion, he will "surrender to the terrorists", etc), but this is some of the more sound thinking i have heard myself (its a long speech, and then a Q&A), including the idea of a fiscally responsible government. It seems like a return to reason to me. I don't care if you list the basic divisive arguements if that is all you have, but curious to hear from someone who appears to be a "thinking conservative".

i don't care what the others are saying about you KaskadskyjKozak, i care about you. but then i care about most people, and in particular I care about family of people that post on this board. but i also care about what you say about me. i don't mind being told my ideas are bullshit (not that i won't defend them), but you go out of the way to label and categorize me so that you can hurl these insults you gathered that fit your definition of what is wrong with the country or with politics you oppose. i see you posting challenges to people on this board with political ideas possibly opposed to yours, and its the same vocabulary, its the same schtick, time after time. of course you are not the only one the is guilty of this (it happens all over the political spectrum here), but you are the only one attacking me for simply refuting a your dismissal of an interesting and controversial fact. i challenge you to find an instance where i have labeled or categorized you. i might point out an idea that is contrary to your "POV", but I guarantee that anything that be construed as a personal attack was something that was done in jest. This would be the closest I have come to insulting you, but I gave you a way out: or maybe this and for the record I apologize for the above statements, even if they are not direct, baseless insults but rather responses to your barrage. it would be nice if that will result in you admitting that you have not only miscatagorized me, or that you have also undeservedly attacked me for the crime of changing the conversation, but frankly given your record i don't expect it.

i'll be here on the internet for you, when you're ready. i realize you may need to heal more before this can start.

if you want i can gather up all you posts were you so unfairly insulted me and we can start the healing process as you apoglogize for each. i'm fairly certain we can figure out what is wrong with you so you don't have these episodes.

of course i care what you think and i retract that i said it in the first place. i'm a walking nerve.

we need to heal as a nation, and as internet users.

i need this.

i'm here so you can apologize now. go ahead.

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did the balloon get a hole?

i won't be able to sleep!

don't leave me hanging.

i care. so much.

crickets. well i'm waiting for you to recant the shit you said about me...

I'm not changing the conversation, the thread forked at what Matt posted, which I found infinitely more interesting than the thread topic before that. Please go back and review every thread in spray...it happens in almost every thread. The conversation goes to another topic. I have nothing to say about what happened previously in this thread. Get over that. I fail to see how I'm being partisan here. I'm actually concerned about the elections, regardless which political party it applies too. How is that partisan? How is that "leftist"?