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I think it is accurate to call from a purely semantic (and useless) standpoint what they did over there (Palestine) a democracy. but obviously they didn't address the faction vs. liberty issue discussed there that is addressed by a "fair" and healthy democracy.

thanks. i love this part!:

i always thought of a democracy as a "will of the people". a majority rule. that all there is to it. however, individual rights and liberties can get mangled by democracy for sure, that is the purpose of the various checks and balances that the we (the US) have put into place. likewise we have found the free market to require regulation lest it be too volatile. i'm sure some would object to this comparison, but it seems that regulation h as been the universal answer to market malfunction. i haven't paid a lot of attention to the Hamas "democratic" situation, but I don't doubt that the majority of those particular people would vote for the principles that Hamas eschews. so what do you do when a people vote tyranny onto themselves? isn't that like voting for a Democrat? or perhaps it is like euthanasia, are we going to deny them the right to vote tyranny unto themselves? anyway, it is an interesting discussion, far more interesting that democracy vs. communism vs. facism etc. which are discussions that are all played out IMO. how democratic does democracy have to be to be "right"? obviously the founders here didn't see the "will of the people" a complete democracy without checks and balances and statement of basic individual rights. it is something that we see here where we are a Christian majority, and we see the Christians attempt to pass laws to support their beliefs.

true, true.

sorry if the Truth seems a bit dark to you peter...but don't worry, those that play that game all seem to enjoy the oral arts, so it isn't so bad.

I guess I don't have the same question ( I could care less about how Obama lines up with Carter). But I does make me wonder how honest Obama has been in his campaign speak (well he is a politician, so he must not be honest, right). I thought he was campaigning with the "Speak to our enemies" platform, and I thought Hamas was in power because of a democratic process? His statements in this case don't line up. Is the process of voting all that matters, or do the nature of the regime voted into office and the institutional framework it subsequently establishes for governing the country and exercising power over the population who cast the votes factor into the analysis of regimes that come into power via popular elections? it's all about how we "feel" about a candidate. does he/she look like a good guy/gal? no, its about which lobbys dick is in your mouth.

I guess I don't have the same question ( I could care less about how Obama lines up with Carter). But I does make me wonder how honest Obama has been in his campaign speak (well he is a politician, so he must not be honest, right). I thought he was campaigning with the "Speak to our enemies" platform, and I thought Hamas was in power because of a democratic process? His statements in this case don't line up. Is the process of voting all that matters, or do the nature of the regime voted into office and the institutional framework it subsequently establishes for governing the country and exercising power over the population who cast the votes factor into the analysis of regimes that come into power via popular elections? what are you talking about? the process of voting? isn't that paramount to what "regime" takes power? (i.e. they don't if they aren't voted in). if you aren't voted in then it doesn't really matter what the regimes agenda is. *edit* lol, i now understand you were actually talking about Hamas, not the US pres. elections. Well, I wasn't speaking to the legitimacy of their election. I was talking more about that idea of engaging in a dialogs with our enemies. This was something that Obama said he would do, or so I thought. I would definitely include Hamas in the "enemy of the US" group, and didn't know that there was the condition that they had to be recognized as a country by the US and Isreal before any negotiations could take place (not that they might be fruitful anyway).

rags like that are for intellectual "book smart" people such as yourself peter. as a real world blue color worker with street smarts i don't have no time for your high faa-luting idears. congrats on the tickets! i hope you intend on giving that bobblehead to a child instead of hording the collectible to gather dust on some shelf! i have tickets for tomorrows game myself.

I guess I don't have the same question ( I could care less about how Obama lines up with Carter). But I does make me wonder how honest Obama has been in his campaign speak (well he is a politician, so he must not be honest, right). I thought he was campaigning with the "Speak to our enemies" platform, and I thought Hamas was in power because of a democratic process? His statements in this case don't line up.

i take it you have finally formulated your opinion?

yes, that is how it works in the ideal world, doesn't it?

the point (which you apparently missed) is that you can go out on the internets and find an opinion to support anything (which Peter did). for instance, if i wanted to find a website supporting slavery, i could find one. i wasn't attacking the source, merely pointing out that they have their particular bias...as you do.

convenient source "Commentary is America’s premier monthly magazine of opinion and a pivotal voice in American intellectual life. Since its inception in 1945, and increasingly after it emerged as the flagship of neoconservatism in the 1970’s, the magazine has been consistently engaged with several large, interrelated questions: the fate of democracy and of democratic ideas in a world threatened by totalitarian ideologies; the state of American and Western security; the future of the Jews, Judaism, and Jewish culture in Israel, the United States, and around the world; and the preservation of high culture in an age of political correctness and the collapse of critical standards."

enough working, where is Volume II of your Pentes Raid?

"The OGC is currently overhauling the design of its corporate materials following a new strategy and forward direction. As part of this, the OGC has been developing a new visual identity, one aspect of which is a new logo. "The proposed version, which you have sent over, has been shared with staff, and is now going through final technical stages. It is true that it caused a few titters among some staff when viewed on its side, but on consideration we concluded that the effect was generic to the particular combination of the letters 'OGC' - and is not inappropriate to an organisation that's looking to have a firm grip on government spend!" He concluded: "The new identity has been extremely well received, as it presents a very clean, uncluttered and modern identity."

here it is rotated 90 degrees. sweet!

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I hear they are the best part of the muffin. Porter you're talking like a football fan....a baseball fan would simply offer her this tastey treat and enjoy the game. i bet she prefers the kielbasa with extra mustard. i noticed she voted for your man Obama!

here is kewler wear: http://top10kid.com/2008/04/14/top-10-shirts-to-get-arrested-in/?=rss

shit dru, how cum ur so hip to this soccermom milf shit anyway? http://www.lululemon.com/ you wanna come to my yoga class?????

somebody bring some horseshoes

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Do you think you could get to first base with her Peter????

just wait till W is out of office and can go tooling around as an 'Ex-Prez', then shits gonna get DONE!