olyclimber

i bet you can belay up to 5.X++ (sport) though.

well that would take money out of the pocket of a guidebook author! what tools would be most useful on these routes? wire brush? shovel? crowbar?

get your hands off my a$$, i know its you

i'm pretty sure if he bought it at REI they'll take is back. heck, if he used it from bridge jumping first, they would probably still take it back.

If it weren't for global warming or cooling, Sarah Palin would be shooting dinosaurs out of helicopters.

CHAMPAGNE is not closed. though that pic in the flyer above must be from an older Leavenworth Rock? I can't find that topo in the 2nd edition.

http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/wenatchee/conditions/snow-creek-wall-closure.pdf

how often is practice?

there was another in this thread who could also qualify for my comment.

Beuller?

then there are the "sloe" people who find both too difficult.

I'm not sure yet, but the purchase price is set and there is an option to buy in place.

Saddle up!

Can't say I've looked forward to spending money as much as this before. think of how expensive it would be to build a climbing wall this cool.

Anyone?

Its vertical world, right?

then there is people who climbed hard and put up routes of both disciplines, i doubt they had a separate grade for each

Peter, what can you tell me of the Private Idaho and immediate area? Are those hidden classics or is that area not been cleaned for other reasons? There is a "Yosemite" climb there?

OH BOY! PETER HAS SOMETHING UP HIS SLEEVE!!!!!1

nice!

old dudes playing baseball? that is BORING. not as fun as seeing ulee rip a line drive by some kids head. though let me know if you're going to be trying out Peter. I'll have to come check out a game.

it seems your are right if you leave the netting at home and just go with the fly and ground cover. http://cascadedesigns.com/msr/tents/fast-and-light-tents/carbon-reflex-2/product = 2 lbs 12 oz the whole tent or only 2 lbs with just the fly and ground cover. this tent does appear to be slightly bigger than the Firstlight. Firstlight = 2 lbs 11 oz these wieghts are from the manufacturer specs, not sure how accurate they are. I have a firstlight, and have to make sure my tent mate is not over 6 foot or they don't really fit comfortably. i've seam sealed it and been in the rain and snow with it and it was just enough to be comfortable. i haven't been in a deluge with it though.