marylou

No, dear, you are definitely not a feminist.

Now I'm even more pleased with the fact that you don't consider me a climber. And WTF on this "dirtbag" thing? A lot of the people here lead pretty respectable, fairly normal lives, and are not ashamed of it.

Word on the street in show biz is that everyone who works on that show was told over the weekend that they should start looking for another job. If the tiger act ever comes back, it isn't going to be any time soon.

N, I assume you already know that the Colchuck TH is officially closed while the bridge is being replaced between 8mile TH and Colchuck TH, and that there is a mostly uncontrolled blaze burning nearby at Crystal Creek and down to Ingalls Creek. It will be smoky, be careful and all of that!

Jens, You are right insofar as the manufacturers all basically use the same factories in Asia. The Mistral pant is dasigned by an REI designer and the fabric can be sourced by a couple of different entities. The pants *may* have been made in one of the factories in Canada that REI uses. A lot of the Powerstretch stuff is made up there, as is the One jacket. FWIW REI does do a pretty good job with inspections and whatnot in foreign factories. At least for now you won't find REI Brand stuff being made in the countries with the very worst labor situations, and they have inspections to check for abuses and underage workers. That said, I wish they still made their apparel here, like they used to.

Hey, I have one of those Ones...SuWeet jacket!!! With a CRAPPY cut. Depends on what you are using it for. I think the cut of it would make it a crap climbing jacket, but I also happen to have a Mistral which has a fine cut for climbing. The One is more of a ski and around town coat IMO.

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Got stuck at home on the LoveFest Weekend chat starts now!http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/jchat.php

Working.

Ditto that. Busy season at work right now...can't put two days off in a row right now, let alone three.

chat room is OPEN.

Beck, you are incoherent again.

Gotta agree with E-Rock here. If there is a discussion going on in Spray about a legitimate non-climbing topic, it sure would be nice to be able to particiapte without someone saying something like "I wouldn't fuck her with YOUR dick". I'm glad to see a little banning going on here. I don't think it will overly sterilize the place one iota.

It is huge, but Rove will probably get away with it. If it's true, I think he ought to step down.

Fairweather, You are painting with a pretty broad brush if you think all Dems are happy with the current state of the party. A few random comments: One of the reasons, I believe, that Whitewater was not fully investigated, is that if it had been, Bush 1 would have been implicated as well. During the North/Bush drugs for guns era, an airstrip in Arkansas was used as a staging area for operations. Whitewater money laundering is a short step from there, and everyone would have gotten in trouble. Clinton did veto a few things, and did well by the environment. HOWEVER, two vital pieces of legislation got signed by him that have done nothing but harm. NAFTA and the Telecom Act of 1996 have both had far-reaching and negative implications for the middle- and lower-classes of this country. Shame on him. Health care. Bush the junior won the 2000 election by a margin of five to four. There were so many things wrong with the election in Florida that one can't find a place to begin. HOWEVER, it was ultimately Gore's race to lose. He was veep to an extremely popular president and had some valuable assets of his own to bring to leadership. He ran such a horrible campaign it's a wonder anyone voted for him. He didn't speak to younger voters, and rather than let Shrub's idiocy speak for itself, Gore managed to come across as arrogant and condescending. He couldn't figure out whether to ally himself or distance himself from President Clinton, and when the going got rough, he didn't call in the most brilliant campaign strategist the party has, James Carville. If Gore had done just a *little* bit better, there is no way that this hinky Florida thing would have been a deciding factor. In the wake of losing the Presidential election of 2000, the Democratic Party shows no visible signs of leadership. Right now our presidential frontrunners are Howard Dean, who has civil liberties problems, and Wes Clarke, who is not really a Democrat. Not supporting the war on Iraq does not qualify you to run for President as a Democrat. I'm a pretty old-school liberal type. The party is a real disappointment to me these days.

Shoot, I just saw this, and you are already there at Smif. From my vantage point nursing my fall cold-addled body back to health, let me add "Pop Goes the Nubbin" to your to-do list for Smith. It's on the Peanut, rated .10a, but it is not really .10a or I wouldn't have been able to lead it. I'd call it 5.8d. Classic Smith moderate, if you can wade through the crowds and get a rope on it.

We were up in that neck of the woods a few weekends ago, and it looks like there's a LOT up there. Anyone want to say anything?

Hey, I have one of those Ones...SuWeet jacket!!!

If you guys don't knock it off, you will get uninvited!!

Let's just say it is an edge I prefer not to have.

Yes, sort of, but I'm not going to get frightened that easily.

No I'm reading it just fine. Why would a person bring a gun to downtown Seattle during the WTO? I *had* to be in there and I wasn't protesting. What's the gun going to protect me against? Rioters attacking a random credentialed person?

OK, Veg, you want to argue this, argue it. Tell me how a gun would have helped me to get around and be safer during the WTO Ministerials. What exactly would it have protected me against?

Yah, actually I was going to say something about this yesterday. I spent quite a bit of time downtown during WTO, and you really had to be looking for trouble to get in any. And during those four days a gun would have probably gotten you into more trouble than it could have potentially prevented. I think Greg's argument is weak.