marylou

You must be a real expert on the real world by now, Paul. Gary was whining. If he needs to whine, maybe he should call his parents or his best friend or something.

Of what?

All I know is that I was a little surprised to hear that the sarcasm was lost at the beginning of this. I didn't think people were that stupid. What wasn't lost was the condescension dripping from your last post. I've met you and you seem like a nice guy, but online I guess you are just another anonymous, well, you know....

Okay flamesters, here's the thing: Event planning is harder than it looks. In the real world to rent a room and do a slide show, it would be this much hassle and more. When people who are living the academic life complain about things like Gary is complaining about, people who live life in the regular world, like me, may show little patience. Event planners and managers don't have, or need PhDs. There is no PhD program for this sort of thing. People get good at doing events, from bar mitzvahs to operas and everything between, by learning from people, talented and not so talented, as to what works and what doesn't work. I feel that Gary has some misdirected passion in making something of the UW Climbing Club. That energy could be put to, IMO, much better use elsewhere. Like a charity, for example. That said, there's a reason that there's a whole sub-industry in show biz of people and companies that do event planning and management.

Based on a conversation I had with someone at the slide show tonight, I feel compelled to point out that the above post is an example of sarcasm.

And I think we can assume that sexual references toward women will be greated with a welcome retort, because really, sex is all that women are really good for.

If this seems so inconvenient to you, you might want to try out thid thing we call real grown-up life soon. It will make filling out forms and getting paid to go on vacations seem like a pretty nice deal. I clipped and shipped the latter part of the original thread from where it devolves from the slideshow to a bunch of carping. --off white

I wonder why more women don't post here. It is puzzling. Perhaps it because there is open hatred toward women on this site. Just an observation.

Hey, I've offered to moderate several times before. If we're going to talk female moderators, there's good old Icegirl too. She's just a little low profile these days.

Or Friday Crystal, same deal, but PM me instead of calling Parker. Probably Crystal, maybe Stevens if someone talks me into it, or perhaps Alpotal if it's open 'cuz I got one of them Seasoned Pass Midweek thingys. Crystal if for sure my first choice of the three.

Perhaps then, if that's true, it does come down to a matter of money. In that case, the Canadians will do it one way, the Americans another.

Interesting about the FS 'ee saying that they would heli log. My dad's been in the timber industy since the '70s and according to him, heli logging is virtually not done on the west side. It's not just the cost issue, it's the terrain, the weather, and the density of the wes side forests that makes heli logging both unsafe and impractical. I'm not saying it is never ever done, but boy if I'd be surprised to see that done west of the Crest under too many circumstances.

Hey that Softshell Proof stuff worked well, BTW. It does coat your hands with the same stuff though, I'd use gloves for this project next time.

Pretty well put, MM. Thanks. Unfortunately the Healthy Forest Act is not really about what the Administration wants you to think it's about, but I think we mostly all agree on that already.

Minx, looks to me that Erik stated his point succinctly and eloquently. Don't know why you'd have questions about that. Scott, about that global warming/increased forest fires thing, well I don't have time to explain it, but if you were to say, Google the words forest+fires+global+warming you'd come across a wealth of information about how increased tems lead to decreased sap production, weakening trees and making them more vulnerable to both fires and beetles (species vary from place to place) and how a weakened/dead tree burns better. Then there's the part about how when it's warmer, even the tiny bit you get from global warming, fires burn better. Of course in oder to accept any of this, you have to accept global warming to be a real thing.

Ugh. I am barely a member of the media, and when I see post like ain't_this_great's, I never want to shop retail again. Please, please, take your own time to take advantage of he Internet. Do your own research, ask questions, go to the manufacturers, ask questions again. At this point, anything that is coming out in the Spring is out there for the asking, and the buying public wants to know. Tell them. Here, I'll even give you a thing to start with: REI Quarter Dome. Go find out what it is and get back to me when you know why this is a piece of gear worth knowing about.

There are so many things I want to say about this, but I'm going to stick to one observation. It's a fact that the increase in forest fires in the last decade or so is in large part a direct result of global warming. Pretty ironickal, innit?

I was kind of interested in whether or not anyone had used something like Revivex or Softshell Proof to revitalize their SSs, whether or not hand washing was easier on the finish than machine washing (it is IMO), and which fabrics seemed to do better at keeping their finish when maintained properly. I wash my one mint green Schoeller Dryskin jacket all the time because I wear it everywhere. To the mountains, the woods, work, the mall, wherever. Well, maybe not the mall, but the grocery store for sure. It's my most favorite jacket and I wear it all the time. I'm not a dirtaphobe, but personally I don't care for the look of grimy cuffs, so I wash the thing when it gets dirty. Same with my baby blue Schoeller Dynamic beanie. It gets dirty, I wash it. So far it's keeping its DWR better than the jacket. I didn't pay a lot for either piece, less than $50 for both, but it's not about the money, it's about keeping the stuff functional. Now that outdoor gear isn't totally geeky and butt ugly, I wear the stuff in town rather than just in the mountains.

Hey Jon, if gay bashing is on the list of no-goes, maybe you ought to look at the thread in Freshiez on the subject of gay ski week in Telluride. I tried to incite with sarcasm last night to get the thread pulled, but there it sits.

I dunno, but I got a pretty inflammatory PM from the guy. Sorry, folks, wasn't me. That said, I'd have to agree that the guy has nothing to offer.

Argh! Ay laddy! Now carry on, it's supposed to be fun, people!

All softshells repel water nicely when new. It's pretty amazing how well a knit or stretch woven fabric can do this. But....as Specialed has pointed out before, many softshells seem to be just plain old doubleknit polyester that's been treated with something. Repeated washings prove this out, as I've seen with things made, in my case, of Schoeller Dynamic. I'm sure there are other fabrics that would make my case. When washed properly, in the washer at Gentle, or by hand with Woolite, the stuff wets out after maybe a half dozen washings. Not true with laminates like Polarshield. They seem to hold up as long as you hang dry or dry on low heat in the dryer. Anyone else had similar experiences? I'm beginning to regret the day I bought softshell stuff in light colors, which show the dirt. I think I've found a fix for this problem, but would like to hear from people about what they do to keep their softshells working like the day they were purchased.

It seems to me that D's banning had more to do with the repeated beating of the dead horse than about the subject matter itself. I don't even think it was because his arguments were faulty, inconsistent, and full of bombast. I think it was all about the poor dead horse. The thing is dead, please, please stop beating on it.

Pit zips get floppy when they are all the way open. Never tried the Napoleon pocket thing, but it seems like a cool idea that wouldn't work as well.