Hey since you guys are talking about the ethics of modifying rock, I'm surprised nobody has brought up Ray Jardine's handiwork on the Nose, which he received a boat load of shit for. His reasoning, according to his last interview in Climbing, is that people bitching about him chipping holds is utter bullshit, because if you've cleaned a crack, then you can't bitch about chopped holds. Cuz, you know, they're the same thing, in his mind. I disagree, but whatever.