Ursa_Eagle

although isn't Alpine climbing really only done in Europe??

what's wrong with rock empire?

where dat?

more specifically (on that note) if you're looking for the "obvious gulley", you're alpine climbing...

dang! I gotta get me one of those!

what part of "thou shalt not kill" did he not understand??? This brings to mind this article: Hijackers surprised to find themselves in hell (and yes, I'm sure it's been posted before)

I haven't tried the sisters marathon yet (let alone adding on Broken Top and Bachelor), but 21 hours seems really fast! on!

Forgive my naivete, but what exactly do you mean by "non-technical"? You have to rope up to cross glaciers on Sahale and Logan, right? Doesn't that count as technical? Or does technical mean that you're placing pro? I would consider technical climbing to be using a rope placing pro. That's just what I consider it to be, others prolly have very different opinions. We roped up on the Fremont Glacier (Logan) only for the ascent. We found it to be straightforward enough we didn't bother with it on the descent. On Sahale, there were a few cracks, but we had enough experience that we didn't feel the need to rope up (we didn't have one with us anyway, so the decision was made easier.) That said, saying there's only 1 or 2 cracks is not only sandbagging, but you're also trying to make yourself look a lot bigger than you really are. Also, the "I'm better than you, Mt. Rainier is not climbing" attitude is rather childish. (Dryad, this is obviously not directed at you.)

now if that's not a troll, I don't know what is!

non-technical alpine climbs (Snowking, Sahale, Logan, etc.) That's not to say I don't enjoy a good technical climb, but in terms of fun, I'll have to go with non-technical alpine climbs.

CBS, any luck getting the car back?

Beck, don't listen to these fools. Thanx for the heads up on the new arrivals in the gear market!

It's not really THAT bad on your knees, it just sucks in the short term. My knees hurt for about two days, so I thought that it wasn't that bad, but then it started acting up a little after this past weekend. They should be fine soon enough. I just really enjoyed carrying an 8 lb pack instead of a 20-30 lb pack. If I were to do it in two days, I may stash gear at Cloud Cap so I could still carry just a daypack (with a 27.5 mile day and a 13 mile day.)

I prefer trekking poles on lower angle stuff because they provide good balance, and I know how to do a pole arrest. If it gets steeper, I use a traditional axe (75 cm) and a pole.

I did it in 14.5 hours 1.5 weeks ago. I got caught by darkness around Meadows and had to slow down because I had brought a really lightweight light; the wrong turn didn't help either. According to all the maps and info I have, it's over 40 miles. My altimeter clocked in 8,000 feet of gain and loss, but I think it's closer to 9,000 (it didn't catch all the high and low points.) There's water at Timberline and Cloud Cap. I made it from Timberline clockwise to Cloud Cap with 2 L of water, then filled up there for the 13 miles that I had left (no filtering or iodine needed, although I certainly had iodine with me.) The majority of it is in the trees, although there are some stretches above treeline. The trail is well graded, I don't remember any overly steep sections. I wore trail runners and didn't really get my feet wet on any of the stream crossings. If you're planning on doing it in a day, I'd recommend starting significantly earlier than 8:30 am, or at least bring a real headlamp (such as a Tikka or Aurora), rather than a keychain LED. And yeah, it's hell on your knees.

Josh, congrats! Here's to many happy years and happy s!

cluck, I just saw your photo looking south from the summit, and I'm jealous! I don't think I even took one looking south, because it was all smoke. Logan was all hazy, as was Elderado, and that was about as far as we could see!

here's cluck's photo with my route drawn in (yellow) More Sahale Routes

It's sad that some people take this stuff way too seriously (enough so to threaten your very well-being.) I'd say call the cops if it's appropriate, shrug it off if it's not (although it sounds like this isn't something to just shrug off), and keep on climbing! This person certainly doesn't speak for the rest of us here... I think I speak for the majority of the board when I say: Jon and Timm@y !

Although I don't think that's the only way it should be done, I'll have to agree with RobBob that it's prolly going to be the most effective. Even with great conservationism, a larger population will consume a larger amount of resources. (That's not to say that we as a species certainly couldn't do a little better than we are now.)

Thanx for the info! I need to go back when it's not so smokey, and I'd like to try the easier route next time so I know where it is (and therefore wouldn't have to worry about a rope.) Yeah, Cluck, I'm glad it's not just me who thought it was a little more than 4th class. Were you the ones that we ran into up on the arm?

schtinx, you're an idiot. you made an assumption about what "unwanted" means and treated it as fact.

catbirdseat's post just showed how rediculous destiny's post really was... catbirdseat