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Hey, there are racists on the left, too! "House Negro" is OK? WTF?

Moore is smart enough never to come out straight and say anything; hence, there is plenty of room for people like you to to wiggle around and point out that "Moore never said that!". Now this is interesting. Yes, it was too close to objectively call a tie. Yet plenty of news sources were calling it for Gore. Yet they don't recieve criticism? It's OK for call an extremely close election for one candidate, but not the other? If Fox had called it for Gore, would you be complaining about it? Nobody made the other news stations follow Fox's lead. Why blame the right? I don't claim to be objective in the least. And your 'scrutiny' is laughable.

Very true.

Who are you voting for? I'm not pleased with either one (is anyone?), but I'm not sure that Kerry/Edwards would do a better job than Bush. (Jim, I'll post your reply for you, to save you some time: )

Wow, an intelligent post for once, thanks Will. I know, but that was my initial reaction to the film. I see what you're saying with particulars vs generalities. But Moore was arguing with particulars, so many of which (I hesitate to say 'lies about') he is extremely disingenuous about. I'm not as far right as I come off here, I read both sides' propaganda and do my best to sift through the bullshit and form an opinion that isn't spoon fed to me. I recognize each side's attributes and weaknesses, and I'm not afraid to say so. Unlike so many anti-Bushies. Keep posting your links, I appreciate them. I'm not going to argue any more about F 9/11, since there's really no point. Suffice to say, I'm pissed about the film. Jim, RBW, you're saying what I knew you would say. I beg you: check the facts. The Coulter piece contains a lot of opinion, but it also includes facts about the issue at hand. The sources I've linked to are obviously biased, but they contain a lot of information that you can easily corroborate. Is this really so hard to do? I keep seeing people who accept everything fed to them by the left, and dismiss everything fed to them by the right, solely on the basis of political lean. That's stupid.

hell no! moore is partisan but he does not lie.

One of the most obvious: Moore claims/insinuates that 'Bush flew the bin Laden family out of the US', when, in reality, it was Richard Clarke's decision. Clark admits this here. And now Clarke is a Bush critic. On Bush and Bandar (I assume you know what part of the film I'm talking about here): Or is it OK for ol' Bill but not for GWB? It's not black and white like Moore paints it. How about Moore's claim that Bush's cousin John Ellis fixed the election through his position at Fox News? Bullshit. (If you don't like the slant of bowlingfortruth, go to his sources. I know you won't like Ann Coulter, but it's hard to argue facts.) I could go on and on, but it's not worth it. Do some research if you really care, all the information is out there.

PM Stephen Ramsey, he's got a Firstlight. And says it leaks.

You can interpret his reaction in plenty of different ways. Moore loses all his credibility by not telling the truth. He is, of course, very careful not to actually lie, but he misrepresents, he hides the other side of each story, he insinuates. Yet liberals don't care that their reasons to hate Bush don't exist. And that amazes me. Enjoy your daily dose of propaganda....how's the view with your head in the sand?

I think what really bugs me about Moore is that he tries to cloak his agenda. His deliberate and insidious methods of getting people to agree with him piss me off. Watch the thing in the theatre, and you can't pause the movie to check the facts. He relies on the trust of people, and then manupulates them. And that, I cannot stand.

I got a bootlegged copy of F9/11 on DVD and just wasted an hour of my time watching the first part. Like so many anti-Bushies felt after watching the film, I'm quite angry. Several sections of the first section made me suspicious, so I paused the ficumentary and checked up on the facts, not the Moore falsehoods, on www.bowlingfortruth.com . Since every one of Moore's 'damning' points is happily debunked, I realized that there is no reason whatsoever to waste more of my time of this piece of fiction. Anyone who believes anything in that film without researching the facts really should, because having an informed perspective is important, right? I am absolutely staggered that some people believe Moore so willingly, yet ridicule conservative sources, that, while less than perfect, are nowhere near as deceptive as Moore's garbage. Fiction that poses as a documentary. Deliberate misrepresentation rampant. Relying on emotion rather than facts. What an utter piece of garbage. D- Moore should stick to his talents: producing entertaining films and overeating. I'm sure he'd do a great job with Shrek 3.

What's there to brush?

Carl, maybe you didn't read the first post on this thread?

Ticks suck.

Bowls of Frosted Flakes is not cooking dude WHAT?

I like to cook, too. Does that make me female, or gay?

Shit. I did the West Face a while back, and though it is not harder than 5.6 and the climb is pretty obvious, a lead fall can easily rip any anchor you could build.

"Famine and pestilence"? I thought it was going to be another ice age!

Close enough on the age....

Justin, dropping all your cash on a house is pretty irresponsible, it could have gotten you that H2 that you've been dreaming of. Just admit you made a mistake, then you won't be so bitter.