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Very cool, the essence of the place were we have all grown up.

"A closed mind cannot think freely." ~Bruce Lee

That's in Renton right? YES! Right off 345th and Kenny, near the Walts Muffler shop. Look for the dirt road with the red mailbox, "COLBY" stenciled on it, turn down this road for 2 miles and look to your left on the hill with the clump of firs.

Optimal conditions

Heaps of trails around Lake Sawyer and Black Diamond. Also Victor Falls has some really fun moderate singletrack. For an easy scenic trip also consider the old Taylor River Road (closed to cars now) to Otter Falls up the Middle Fork of the Snoqualmie.

Bravo to Off White, Pope, et al. my feelings and beliefs are mine alone but one thing I'll say, visceral or not, is that religion is a dead end street, full of people who need a "team" or a "club" to be at one with themselves. I for one am a member of the human race and respect the ideals and beliefs of the myriad of people I share this planet with. If you're a bigot, then shut the fuck up and move to goddamned Northern Idaho where ya belong.

Classic tourist baiting: Working at Devils Tower in 1987, approaching routes on the tower trail with obvious gear created opportunity for a myriad of questions about what was on top. With a serious face one could get away with some amazing stories, but typically I just told em there was a lake on top with good fishing.

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Sounds like my truck in its heyday, but instead of Plywood, we went up to Boeing surplus and got a couple sheets of 1/2" or 3/4" honeycomb core aluminum sheeting (same stuff they use in aircraft flooring), SUPER strong stuff thats lighter than plywood and really rigid. Good Luck!

Dr Leaky (P Pinnacles) was chipped years ago, mebbe go there, study the angle, depth and style of that edit and see if its similar.

LOL actually you're missing my point, its not about wood, which is a great resource, but in fact if you had actually paid attention to the above thread and my thoughts (not just made a random, aggro drive by post) you would see I am bemoaning individuals and their actions in relation to their environment and impact on those around them. AND to be such a rude punk as well is really pretty crappy , my posts, typically refrain from childish (hiding behind your monitor) language. Your what, like 14 years old?

Oh dont get me started Fence_Sitter shut up! Pfft! (sorry fence_sitter, I just had to counter your intelligent response with one of similar, lackluster quality.) shut up! LOL

They will be there on or around August 14th, I called the chossbusters and that was the soonest they could get out with all the other projects they had. They said that right now some issues up the Icicle, Tieton and at Vantage were taking precedence. I hope this helps!

Oh dont get me started Fence_Sitter shut up! Pfft! (sorry fence_sitter, I just had to counter your intelligent response with one of similar, lackluster quality.)

Actually a Saturday joke, got off work late: Why were 4,5, and 6 afraid of 7? Because 7 8 9.

Oh dont get me started Fence_Sitter

AlpineK, you are an arborist, which is an art and skill that involves pruning trees and clearing safety hazards. (good guys) Weyerhauser is a full scale profit industry designed for reaping profit from harvesting timber on a LARGE scale.(bad guys to a degree) I fully understand what you do and respect fully the service you provide. I am merely getting at random disrespect for the natural areas and how that undermines the good of the community at large. I do get emotional and am a big champion of the underdog in regards to the envioroment and dumbasses. You just happen to have a profession that is semi related to a portion of the thread. You take a defensive stance and I understand. I am not attacking you or your service but looking at it from a more global or all encompassing standpoint. It is not about trees but about a way a society evolves and how the individuals within that society develop an co-exist. LOL this is all important but really has gone beyond the scope of this forum, so i'll lay down my spikes (for the moment) and we can just get on with having fun .

Hehe, no im not trolling, just getting "emotional" on a subject I see as being pretty important, what with the immense increase in the popularity of climbing. Granted it's a VERY small resource but where do we draw the line, what is taboo one day, if done in small increments becomes commonplace and accepted eventually. I just want people to be aware of their impacts on a local scale with respect to the bigger picture. Look at the issue of erosion and waste at popular climbing areas, one has to look at the folks and their casual, self focussed attitude towards their resource. I just saw how second pullout at redrocks was treated and cringe whenever I hear about folks "abusing" an area. it might be apples and oranges but to me its similar. Stuff grows fast in the NW, abundant moisture and mild temps so really its not a big deal. I am just focussed on general awareness and thoughts for the future. I see both side to most arguments so I totally respect and see what folks are saying, it just strikes me on a core level

*sigh* I gotta keep reminding myself where I am.. "This family supported by timber dollars" mentality Pacific Northwest. It's your job so obviously you have to maintain a certain ideology and I respect you for that. But being an emotional tree hugger ( I must admit, Las Vegas did break me of the recycling habit - you have to give me credit there) I just see the ravaged hills done by "The Tree growing people" and their ilk, it really makes me sick. All for the sake of dollars. So to take it to the level of " Oh, well it helps keep the climbing area free of moss and affords us better views of the routes, is just another way of justifying resource abuse for selfish means, but on a much smaller scale. So yeah mebbe I am a little aggro on such a topic but heck, thats me. As for the idiot comment and the slams, thats small minded on your part for assuming my stance without proof

you're a dumb shit eat balls asseyes Ouch, careful, your intellect is showing!

People were cutting down trees at Index to improve climbing long before the terms sport climber or gym climber were even thought of. Pull your head out of your ass. FUQ, I dont really give a rats ass, I'm just sick of the preponderance of ignorant people and unfortunately the bulk of them are crawling out in the open these days! Pfft on yours, and BTW its warm up in here on cold days!

I am sensing ***Moron Alert***. Cutting down trees is a major dull wit, nimrod move. But alas thats what the neuvo sport/gym bred climber mentality seems to be based on.

Well, having spend some time climbing at Devils Tower...I must say that seasonally: The Durrance Route was always packed full of gumbys and seige climbers and the ever present stench of urine. Otherwise any route at Smith with bolts.

Is Doktor Don still alive? jeeps! LOL If he truly is tell him someone special says hi.