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Thats the word I was searching for! Rove did it to McCain as well, this smear campaign, and it was brilliant that it succeeded yet still bullshit both times. Why the other voters gave that crap a pass is something I still wonder about.

Hardscrabble Quarry / Madrone Wall planning to begin August 6 with a public meeting at Still Meadow center Clackamas County Parks invites the public to a planning meeting for the Hardscrabble Quarry site on Wednesday, August 6, from 6 to 8 p.m. at Still Meadow Community center. The county is working with the community to complete a feasibility study and develop a concept plan to determine future uses and improvements to the Hardscrabble Quarry site. The 43 acre site, also known as the Madrone Wall, is located on Highway 224, just east of Carver. Purchased by Clackamas County in April 1937, the Hardscrabble Quarry was mined for road repair purposes and has been logged for timber and used by recreational rock climbers. It is currently not open to the public. Interested citizens are encouraged to participate in the process by attending the planning meetings or by submitting comments via mail, e-mail or telephone. Submitted comments will be presented during the public meetings. Still Meadow Community center is located at 16561 SE Marna Rd., Clackamas. Questions, suggestions or comments may be sent to Katie Dunham at kdunham@co.clackamas.or.us or at 503-794-8051, or to Chris VanDuzer at chrisv@co.clackamas.or.us or at 503-353-4663.

Nice to see someone getting out!

OK you pussies, where the hell do you folks go with out me? I got ditched. I went up there last night -there were some people up there but I didn't recognize a soul. So I went bouldering...and it was good. I saw some young fellas heading to Emotional rescue that had a Stick Clip, novel idea - I bet thats better than breaking both yer ankles. Any of you fuckers still climb?

Whoooo! we agree Matt, the world is upside down:-). Scott, the issue divided our country. There was a very large group of veterans who were outspoken against that war. They believed that it was a worthless endeavor that was needlessly killing civilians and young Americans. Regardless of ones opinion of the war, (this thread is taking a U-turn here I think) it took courage for Kerry to go to war, when many his generation were going to Canada, getting some kind of deferment, faking an illness to get a 4f rating, or getting their parents to pull some political strings to get excused from service or get in the National Guard so as get stateside only service. Then it took more courage to speak out and tell what he thought was the truth upon his return. The Bush machine chewed him up and all but painted him as a traitor, it did the same thing to John McCain in the primary. You'd have thought McCain had started working for the vietnamese from some of the inference of the Bush attacks. And thats wrong that we didn't call bullshit both times on that crap. I appreciated and respected how Obama resisted getting sucked into name calling during the primary against Hillary, it will be interesting to see if he can keep that up as the election gets closer. My opinion anyway. Your results will vary of course. Take care all!

Is that a treasure map on your back dude? OMG! Outted! Run Gillagan RUN!

That's a great rant SS, I gotta disagree though on a couple of points. 1st, you say Kerry was a bad candidate. Kerry was the better dude. The Bush assholes tore McCain an asshole or 3 during the primaries with the same shit as well: and its bullshit and doesn't make him a "bad" candidate IMO. I voted for Kerry primarily based on how the POS that hid under his bed and his fathers skirts let that political debasement via the swift boaters happen. ONE Swift boater, a lifelong Republican and a fella from my state, came out during the election and testified that HE was the Green Beret that Kerry pulled out of the water while under intense fire, and that he'd never seen any of those other MFers clamoring that Kerry was something other than what he was, which was pretty dam courageous on Kerrys part IMO. That he stepped forward and tried to stop an injustice only proved the truth of it to me. So it seemed clear that voting for Kerry was the best thing...to me. Next, I do not believe that one nearly relinquishes their honor by merely entering politics. I suspect the opposite. Usually folks get in due to the desire to effect positive change. The whirlwind of Washington sucks up many and tosses them into reverse mode, and it does seem like the presidential candidates still fit your statement. Yet many congressmen and senators do not. They are there to fight the good fight for truth and justice. Later, they become Ted Stevens - and they should be tossed out before they are tired old hags trading favors like Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd or John Stennis IMO. Too bad they are not. Good rant though. I think that the reality is that we owe those who step forward and put the pedal to the metal and their lives at risk as a gift to all of US a huge debt, and it doesn't lesson as we complain about the leadership directing the bus off the road, but is an even more important and significant debt in that circumstance IMO. McCain did something back then which most of us would and probably could NEVER do, and that is to tell his jailers to FUCK OFF. He spit into their faces, some of the meanest son of a bitches around, when they were offering to release him alone, and not the others who were more deserving. It was heroic by any measure or definition of the word in any country or any century. DAMN HEROIC. Both of these men can do a passable job of running the country. One has proven his will in the crucible that none of us can fathom. The other is damn smart and likable. Both have big negative issues as well. Tough call in my opinion. Good luck, I suspect we will chose one of them!

That's a great question, how did you come to live in the US Bob? I'm genuinely interested. I live near all the Poles in my town, and it's great to go to the secret Polish dinner spot and hear them all talking in Polish and see pictures of Polish heroes and Generals on the wall I've never heard of. I always drink Zweibek beer, the Porter kicks my ass, and buy something Polish before I leave, like a liter of fruit drink or an interesting chocolate bar, the family loves it. They got a Perogi, sausage, stuffed cabbage, and Hunter stew (called Vigo, bad spelling) combo plate that is like $6.00 - stuffs ya full, and rules. Mostly it's the 13% beer that ya remember, that and the kind folks. Very gracious. The owners son works there, is my sons age, and has just finished High school and pulled a 4.0. How did you come to live here Bob? Bet it's a great story, I have a good one of how we moved from Colorado, but I bet yours is better.

probably snacked on the 2 Jack Russell terriers next door first:-)

BBC link to same story France says it wasn't them. " France accused in Rwanda genocide Rwanda genocide survivor praying next to skulls (file picture) Some 800,000 people died in the 1994 genocide in Rwanda Rwanda has accused France of playing an active role in the genocide of 1994, in which about 800,000 people were killed. An independent Rwandan commission said France was aware of preparations for the genocide and helped train the ethnic Hutu militia perpetrators. The report also accused French troops of direct involvement in the killings. It named 33 senior French military and political figures that it said should be prosecuted. France has previously denied any such responsibility. Among those named in the report were the late former President, Francois Mitterrand, and the then Prime Minister Edouard Balladur. Two men who went on to become prime minster were also named - Alain Juppe, the foreign minister at the time, and his then chief aide, Dominique de Villepin. The French foreign ministry told the BBC it would only respond to the fresh allegations after reading the report, which was released on Tuesday afternoon. Checkpoints Earlier this year France's Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner denied French responsibility in connection with the genocide, but said political errors had been made. The Rwandan government has urged the relevant authorities to bring the accused French politicians and military officials to justice Rwandan justice ministry Some 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate Hutus were slaughtered by Hutu militias in just 100 days in 1994. The report says France backed Rwanda's Hutu government with political, military, diplomatic and logistical support. It accuses France of training Hutu militias responsible for the slaughter, helping plan the genocide, and participating in the killings. "French forces directly assassinated Tutsis and Hutus accused of hiding Tutsis... French forces committed several rapes on Tutsi survivors," said a statement from the justice ministry cited by AFP news agency. "Considering the seriousness of the alleged crimes, the Rwandan government has urged the relevant authorities to bring the accused French politicians and military officials to justice," the statement said. It further alleged that French forces did nothing to challenge checkpoints used by Hutu forces in the genocide. "They clearly requested that the Interahamwes contine to man those checkpoints and kill Tutsis attempting to flee," it said. Testimonies The BBC's Geoffrey Mutagoma in the Rwandan capital, Kigali, says the commission spent nearly two years investigating France's alleged role in the genocide. It heard testimonies from genocide survivors, researchers, writers and reporters. The 500-page document was presented to the Rwanda's government last November, but was not made public until now. Rwanda has repeatedly accused France of arming and training the Hutu militias that perpetrated the genocide, and of dragging its feet in co-operating with the investigations that followed. France has maintained that its forces helped protect civilians during a UN-sanctioned mission in Rwanda at the time. The two countries have had a frosty relationship since 2006 when a French judge implicated Rwandan President Paul Kagame in the downing in 1994 of then-President Juvenal Habyarimana's plane - an event widely seen as triggering the killings. President Kagame has always denied the charge. He says Mr Habyarimana, a Hutu, was killed by Hutu extremists who then blamed the incident on Tutsi rebels to provide the pretext for the genocide. "

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What ground up policy is that? I think it's called the policy of "Survival of the Fittest", but lets ask "Slim". Slim says: "Yeeehhhh Hahhh! Well that was a waste of time.

HOLA Graham: I was going to email you a request for an update on the packs, figured you'd be busy with Vegas.

!! !! Seriously, taking a Slim Pickens on one of those monster blocks would cause me to reconsider a strict ground up policy as well:-) It's not like you a grabbing a primo line and defiling it. Theres been a single dude take a look and turn back in fear and loathing, then thousands of climbers look at this over the next 20 some odd years and they all left it be. ...for a reason perhaps? ....

Yes, BTW, fu*ing A right Steven: bolt installer and bolt clipper too. You can literally see the 4 fixed ropes and 5 gallon bucket full of bolts hanging @250" or so off the deck here at the Cathedral Formation behind my lad. We wuz shotgun shootin' dem clay pigeon thingys dere one day this weekend. Here's 4 different shotguns that all saw a shell or so that day. Oh looky, we just missed the lil Dawg in action the previous week: same location at Gothic Rocks - Cathedral Formation. Oh, a new bolt, a massively gigantic 1/2-13 x 7" long stainless steel wedge anchor, about to get whanged in with the classic Forrest Wall hammer now on permaloan to the Jim Opdycke museum and old climbers home. That climber looks happy, wonder if it's the 7" bolt length? Maybe folks should do what Dawg says to do (not what Don does?) and just hang off the lump of rock like this to belay and protect, and not install bolts? It's only 150' off the deck here and no cracks or trees in sight, what could possibly go wrong it the leader pitched? Maybe thats what Dawg would do, get a boulder pad and aim for it if it went bad? At least you wouldn't hit much on the way down. Look, a 1/2-13 x 7" long stainless steel wedge anchor closeup. ..........Soon, oh yes, she will be mine. Like the misty vague memory of a sweet, soft, caressing touch, or a near forgotten young love, she resides in my mind, a crackless wonder of soaring flying buttresses - almost ..... but never forgotten Gothic Rock masterpiece.

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If by country you define it as the land, nothing to whine about there eh Kev, we are blessed with an amazing richness and natural diversity that has protected and buttressed us from huge natural disasters. As far as the government goes, check out current events/whats happening in China now just as a point of comparison.

link ...and no free press either "....The border police have apologized after they ``clashed'' with the journalists who were trying to film a restricted area under police control, Xinhua said. The journalists have accepted the apology and police offers to pay for repairs to their damaged equipment and medical bills, the Chinese state news agency said. Police also entered the hotel room of an AFP photographer and forced him to delete photos he had taken of the attack scene in Kashgar, AFP said in a separate report." Interesting that they quoted "the Chinese state news agency" that the journalists were OK with it. Makes you wonder where the journalists were ? Ha ha, nice sleight of hand trick. ___________________________________________________________ They have a 100,000-strong security force on alert for terrorists while 300,000 surveillance cameras watch the city. Makes you wonder if you can even see Tienanmen square or Maos tomb with all the green uniforms crawling on it. Wow, 300,000 cameras.

Bob McGowen did one on the right side that tops out, you can see old tat if you look closely. Called it Upside down Sylvia? JH, there is a more obvious (we thought easier but more loose too) line to the left which we passed on. The center looked more solid and interesting. Perhaps you were on that?

I suspected he was thinking we were a bunch of unappreciative whining asswipe pussies always constantly and unnecessarily bitching and moaning about all the negatives of our amazing country. Maybe he'd perused this site, cause I see it a lot here myself.

Gary Rall, Bob McMahon and I climbed up that massive semi-detached projection straight back from that tree under the massive East Face. They were kind enough to let me lead it ground up classic load-dropping style tossing the moss and choss as I went. Went straight up the middle in the area now closed, did this sometime before 1984 when I graduated from school and Gary and both got real jobs. I left at least 1 Leeper pin fixed for the next party @ 20-25' up that I remember. We agreed it was 5.10 something, and called it the "Alan Lester Memorial Hiking Trail" cause we thought it would be funny. Alan is still alive btw and climbing world class strong as always, that's part of the joke. He was the other dude on Southern Belle when Hank Caylor took that skreeting leg snapping tumble that is so well known. Steve was around, I haven't seen him for a while, improperly credits Bob and I with saving his life @ 1997 or so, but thats a story he should tell. It is enough that he survived.

At the end of the day, picking the most honest person or who has the most solid internal values may be the best course of action. That may be just a guess. Certainly they are fairly close in many issues. Gun control/second amendment is an issue that Obama has moved over to the middle in a big way, and it's one of my core issues. Can this be trusted or will he move back once elected? Who can say.

Obama has raised substantially more money than his opponent. Do you believe he is picking that off of trees or that it magically appears? Do you believe corporations are not giving big scratch to him? Do you believe this? Don't think it is not so. A man who will change his values to get elected will change to get the money to get re-elected or to get elected the first time. Now thats change you can believe in.

My bad, check yer Emails for excessive Mea Culpas.

The thing thats pissing me off about both of these contenders is that they are not moving much past the sound bite stage and concentrating on what our country needs, but on what they think they need to say to be elected. McCain's "Give the working man a gas tax vacation" is utter counterproductive bullshit slight of hand, Obama looked like he'd resist the bullshit, now he's advising to pull from the Oil Reserves. That shit isn't there to be a pawn in a political game so some jackass can get elected, its called the STRATEGIC reserves, and like money in the bank, we need to save that shit for when it's really needed. These men need to formulate a large stratigic plan for the good of our country and I'll vote for the first one who even starts to go there. Suggested topics that should be on the top of everyones issue list to include: A) The economy including our import/export balance of trade and the budget deficit. b) A national energy policy that looks out a firm 20 years and beyond. C) The economy. If we have a strong economy, lots of other issues can be dealt with like schools, serious environmental issues, prison funding, etc etc. I just don't see any of these guys thinking of anything except themselves first, and the country last. It saddens the F* out of me. To those of you rooting for Obama, think back to when Bush was running. He had successfully run Texas as Governor for some time and had a reputation of hiring and listening to qualified advisers: and look where it got us. Obama doesn't have 1/10th the track record Bush had then. Think about that for a moment and get scared. Really scared. (I'm assuming that the McCain supporters already are scared when they think of his anger issues)