RobBob

I worked pretty hard this year in the gym to build strength, and am pretty satisfied with the results. With Twight's book as inspiration, I have built a lot of upper body strength, and can lift the equivalent weight of me and my pack easily on lat pulls, etc. But about 3 weeks ago, I screwed up. I added a pectoral 'fly' machine to my routine, I guess with too much weight, and since then, I can put my finger right on a sore point on top of my shoulder. My question is, what can I do to heal this without stopping the weight training entirely? I like what I'm doing, and don't want to lose the edge. But that soreness is not going away. (I did of course stop doing the pec fly.) Any ideas?

This is what I mean. The real issue IS odor and image. Water table contamination and disease control are "what if" arguments put forth to combat the hog industry. If you want to stymie an industry, force it to constantly prove what it is NOT doing. This is the way environmentalists are attacking the hog producers. There is nothing wrong with the 'not in my backyard' argument. It's an honest, defensible one. Hog farms stink; I once lived relatively close to one, and from that experience I wouldn't want one in my backyard. So fight the hog industry on the basis of your concerns, just don't believe everything you read or hear from the environmentalists who are using other (disingenuous) tools to do so. If groundwater and watershed contamination are our biggest concerns, then lets focus on what is discharged most often: human excrement. But that's a much more personally expensive subject for the armchair environmentalist, because it eventually affects our own pocketbook in the form of taxes. If disease control is a major issue, let's deal with sexually-transmitted diseases in a much more scientific and assertive manner and forego the politics of STDs.

Well, they did it again. Early this morning on NPR, I hear a story about the current administration's move to simplify the waste management requirements for livestock farming. Of course, the cynical reactions by environmentalists were included, and the reporter's voice was raised in emphasis as he listed the millions of pounds of manure that is generated by livestock each year in the US. Well no shit! (heheh.) We have 280 million people in the US, and most of them want to eat meat. And those 280 million people also do their own share of excretion. What I don't like about the enviro battles over livestock is the disingenuous way that they are waged. The real issue with hog farming, for instance, is ODOR. Yet the game is played over potential water pollution that has not happened. (The 'emergency' discharge of un- or under-treated human waste from municipalities into the nation's waters is like 1 million to 1 over animal waste discharges.) Environmentalists do not want simple, effective rules for US livestock production. They just want to hamstring producers to the point that they shut down. All the talk about wanting to preserve the "family farm" is bullshit, because family farmers are the first to be unable to cope with the growing morass of paperwork. Eventually the "corporate" farms will move their production more and more to Asia and Latin America, removing a large part of the nation's food supply from its borders. This is a bad trend for several reasons. We do a much more thorough job of inspecting food produced within the US than we do with imported food. The USDA, NMFS, and FDA are in every animal and seafood processing facility within the US, but only visually inspect a small fraction of incoming meat and seafood. Secondly, it is a security risk to move a 280 million-person nation's food supply outside its borders. Thirdly, we are only exporting the "pollution problems" we supposedly seek to control, moving them to third world nations. These are the same nations who want us to spend our $80% to remediate pollution the final 20%, while they fail to spend the first $20% to remediate their first 80% of pollution. The fair and effective way to deal with this is to really get all nations to buy into the same environmental economics. As long as we have "equal opportunity" environmental politics for the third world, then we will continue to see unregulated pollution and its attendant problems in the third world. I submit to you that pushing our animal agriculture overseas is ineffective in the context of global environmental management. In a way, it is arrogant on our part. It also poses potential health risks due to a much lower level of inspection. It is also a security blunder. Like a number of other environmental cost-benefit issues, we need to look at our food supply strategically and unemotionally before we bang the enviro drum.

My point, j_b, is that it appears that perhaps there a number of scientists who are seeking to prove their preconceived theory rather than seeking the truth with an open mind.

klenke, isn't it true that the earliest sunset/latest sunrise do not coincide with the solstice? I think I lost a bet once on that.

What is amazing to me is how worked up people get when someone suggests that they are wrong about global warming and man's rather meager contribution to it. Mark Twain, if he were alive today, would get a real kick out of it. No one has suggested that we humans should not reduce our noxious emmissions into the atmosphere. ( I am seriously in favor of cleaning up the worlds's air...even if it means that we must get India and other burgeoning nations to limit their reproduction. ) Let's just honestly and consistently and correctly analyse the facts about long term climate.

Sure, freeclimb, it's warmer now, but the point is that climate has often made rather extreme changes over decades. Causes range from asteroid strikes to rotational axis change to tidal force change to volcanism (which is in some cases triggered by tidal forces), etc. And that simple tool the thermometer can and is placed in widely-varied places.

damn, mtngoat and I agree on something. There is more CO2 emitted from termite and sheep flatus than from emmissions from the industrialized west.

freeclimb, I'm with ya on the atmospheric gases. However I have a hard time believing that Mexico City has an enforced policy on autos. Maybe I'm remembering something from 20 years ago when I lived in Texas and traveled some in Mexico, but there were an incredible number of old vehicles there then.

HWGA. Damn, I wish I didn't have to work so hard this week, so that I could participate in my favorite spray subject. 1) I can't wait to hear what people say when it starts to get noticeably colder in a few years. Malthusian forecasts rarely come true. 2) If one really believes in human-induced climate change, why does the industrialized west have to do all the sacrificing? Why doesn't somebody get up on the table and yell a) The 3rd-world countries must limit emmissions from all those POS vehicles (ex: Mexico City). b) The home-fires of India, China, etc. must be extinguished and replaced with something else. c) Most importantly, every nation must agree to limit its birth-rate immediately, because this is the underlying juggernaut factor behind human emmissions.

The Dr. is getting meaner in his old age. DFA, you're starting to remind me of Al Gore-as-hardguy...

sketchfest, I'm in the same boat. I run, but a month or two before mtns I do reps on stadium steps. Push hard going up, easy coming down for knees' sake. I second the heart-rate monitor. I'm not usually a techie, but an HRM is easy to use, and you can tailor your training.

"Bible Lovers" 1. Jimmy Swaggart 2. Jim Bakker etc.

Finally, someone who appreciates grammar.

no matter what the size, reality is better than plastic.

I really believe that DFA needs the mail-order bride...ya' said you wanted a duck, so hunt where you are guaranteed yr limit.

Look at pictures of Abbie Hoffman. He had an asswhippin' comin'

folks, notice my correct use of the past tense for the verb "hang." as a verb: he was hanged an an adjective: I am well-hung

They would not have been in jail...they would have been hanged by the neck until dead. Anyone remember their history, and Ben Franklin's line, "We must all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

I hope that Gore takes the time to get off his environmental soapbox, and clean up the tailings at the family tin mine in Tennessee.

I figured the guy with the hair was capable of that...

I think that's GregW over there on the right, trying to get his best shot in...

...She had my balls in a vice but she left the dick I guess its still hooked up but now it shoots too quick...

I smell a fight...

That is disgusting. Greg, how come you know the lingo for all that shit??