RobBob

The Chinese would gobble it up. Since they are eating more meat, for instance, they have done a reversal from exporter to importer on soybeans. I don't believe it would be a blip in the fishmeal industry.

the fact is that the world's industrial fisheries (menhaden, anchovies, etc.) are a global industry that existed before aquaculture bought a lot of its products (they still buy less than 50% of the world's fishmeal, I think), and will continue to exist if aquaculture disappeared tomorrow. The additional fishmeal would just go to the poultry and swine industry, etc. So the notion that eliminating salmon farming is going to keep more industrial fish in the oceans is misguided. The fishery exists, there are quotas for it, and it will be fished to its "legal limit." But I will agree that the farming of herbivorous fishes is more envonmentally friendly for a variety of reasons. Chinese carp are a huge percentage of world aquaculture, and another herbivorous fish. Catfish and tilapia are the herbivorous fish that we see in our markets. Non-herbivorous but on the rise: cod and tuna.

Neither has a land claim. I never made any assertion that the Kurds had a land claim. I stated that holding Saddam accountable for gassing the Kurds is not the same as holding me (or you) accountable for Indian (or any other)reparations from past generations. If you want to talk about land claims, let's discuss how the Cuban exiles have, through Republicans like Jesse Helms and the Bush boys, effectively prolonged Castro's communist regime and held Cubans back from joining the rest of the free world. I believe that the sense of entitlement on the part of the wealthy Cuban exiles has a lot to do with this.

nope...it just represents the major supplier to the US, that's all. technology's basically the same. okay, visit a farm in Norway, or BC if you guys haven't deepsixed that industry entirely yet. Talk to the people that work on the facility. See what they really do.

Okay, SC, I can see that you are intrigued and that perhaps you'd had too much coffee. Your lines run from the specious to the ridiculous: Isn't this like saying "I apologise for calling you a wife-beater, since I've never met you or your wife, and have no idea who you are, but I just have this gut feeling from the tone of your posts that your violent nature is causing you to beat your wife more often now." ?? Right here:

You have been hoodood into being PC. Travel to Puerto Montt and take a close look for yourself at how the salmon are farmed.

My favorite line this week came from NPR, a Palestinian saying refering to the growing Arab population within Israel: "Arafat, we fight for you every night in our bedrooms!"

There is some great farmed salmon out there from a variety of places: Norway, Scotland, The Faroes, Canada, Chile. You just have to know who the producer is, and make sure you don't get the over-sized ones. It's hard to beat wild, but a lot of the farmed is good if procured right. On the other hand, one can generalize that farmed shrimp, which are predominantly farmed inland in ponds, away from their natural habitat, taste way-different than their wild counterparts. Of course there are a huge variety of shrimps and prawns in the world, but you can pretty much generalize that a wild shrimp is gonna taste better. Farmed shrimp are really prone to earthy and musty off-flavors, as well as having a flesh texture difference. Funny also how all of the "wild" game served in the US and European restaurants is also farm-raised.

I now look at that photo and wonder who's going upscale with the bottle of Red on the left?

I had dinner with an older guy in Northern Germany once. I ordered some delicious mussels, because I knew his wholesale food company delivered them. When they came, he said "I can't stand the smell." I told him I couldn't believe that he didn't like mussels. He told me that as a small child outside Hamburg, he had to forage with his family on the coast in order to eat during WWII. "I'll never eat another mussel" he said.

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The frogs' real problem with it is that the Muslim girls don't put out

I'm considering the following for 2004: -eat more beef -eat more farmed salmon (but not farmed shrimp because the quality sucks) -wear some fur -consider a diesel stick-shift for a change -try clipping bolts

SC: Back to the subject at hand. Your outrageous troll suggests that people must atone for things that were not directly caused by them and even happened happened before their birth, as opposed to holding Saddam accountable for his direct responsibility for gassing the Kurds. You waited with baited breath to see if someone would disagree, then, as is your MO, you used your antiestablishment prism to quickly interpret their answer as racism. "One of the sad signs of our times is that we have demonised those who produce, subsidised those who refuse to produce, and canonized those who complain." - Thomas Sowell My point was and is that I believe the US doesn't owe any cultural group a damn thing for anything that happened in prior generations. That notion only serves to divide & de-motivate those who would supposedly be the beneficiaries. I would have to say that your form of racism is most insidious: making race a constant issue, and calling those who disagree with you racists. That at its core is just name-calling, and a kind of pitiful attempt to feel self-rightious on your part. In doing so you fail to address my point: That there is a path to getting on with success. It doesn't include reparations and entitlements from past eras. A basic sense of unfairness can either be an excuse to stay where you are, or a powerful motivator to achieve in your life. The keys to achievement are fairly universal, but you have to latch onto them to get there.

The Wall Street Journal put this best in an editorial yesterday: "The French, God bless them, are finally joining the war against Islamic extremism, Their targets, which will now confront the full force of l'etat, are schoolgirls who wear Muslim headscarves in French public schools."

The usually-uncontroversial Iain reveals his Hyde other side

and furthermore I wasn't speaking of land claims specifically. I was thinking about their social problems as a whole. At some point the social programs do more harm than good. I would think that odds improve for kids who can get off the reservation and into the mainstream culture.

I'm not stereotyping, I'm thinking of two families in my high school in VA, who ended up exactly as I have described. trask, you take over. I'm headed off to listen to my kids play christmas music at school with their white, black, asian, and hispanic classmates. Funny thing is, these kids all are doing well in a charter school where all the parents are committed to their children's education. Families and social norms at work.

SC, since trask's not around to take the bait, I figured I'd stand in for him. Okay, let's talk about the social problems and inequities that the black population endures in the US. Are reparations going to fix that? Why is it that a Vietnamese family has been able to come to the US, the father takes a job initially bagging groceries, the kids are put in the local public schools...and 15-20 years later the younger generation are all physicians living in nice neighborhoods? While at the same time, the poor whitetrash family that lived beside them in the late '70s has repeated the cycle of failure in education, family breakup, alcoholism? At some point, it's not the US government's responsibility anymore to solve these social-norm problems. There has to be at least some hard effort on the part of the 'oppressed' to join the ranks of the non-oppressed. And all this has little to do with Saddam's gassing the Kurds.

Jesus Christ, SC, it's 100 years later. We've made most tribes rich with the gambling industry. At some point they are going to have to make the cultural decision to look toward the future instead of the past, deal with some of their demons, and go forth into the melting pot!

hey, the movie wasn't really soft-core, as the box suggests...plot and Juliet make a Hell of a Louis Malle movie there.

Ever since I've put marylou on Ignore status, I've been living the life of Reilly.

My grandmother used to do that with pans of water, but she always claimed that the elves out of Palmer Scott books drank it.

If it's hot actresses you're after this one is HOT, HOT, HOT and this movie was a damn good one:

I think the key words here are Europe, Soviet Union, Japan---all heavily industrialized nations, particularly when you make comparisons from the 60s to the 80s. I have traveled to Europe regularly over the past 20 years, and a Hell of a lot of the time the sky is strikingly dark when you arrive, compared to leaving the states. I'm not sure I'll believe there's a difference in light shining on Colorado Springs, or LA, or NY or Miami until specific studies are done there.