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I had the same understanding as iain. I think the biodesiel is already more refined than straight up mcdonals waste. Wait a minute, since when is everything at mcdonals *not* waste?!

Huh? Any diesel engine will burn biodiesel and I just learned over the weekend that its readily available here in Portland. Hell, I can have a 55 gallon drum delivered right to my house! I'm looking into fueling our Passat that way. So why is it you can't upgrade? Yup! There is a place in seattle that sells it now too. The point was a vehicle I want. word has in that the 'o4 passat will be availble with the new PD diesel engines and AWD!

Charlie, I get about 25 or so on the highway, which is where I drive it. I take the bus to work, and use the audi for my trips on weekends. I would be MORE than happy to pay a big fat tax as well. I don't expect to get out of anything that others have to pay. I look forward to being able to upgrade to a reasonably sized vehicle burning biodesiel or using a fuel cell. Unfortunatley the motivation is very little for the auto makers in today's market.

Very optimistic of you muffy. I would argue it's you that's an idiot, but that wouldn't get us anywhere, no would it? You are right, I should stop depending on the government to provide me with roads shouldn't I? I suppose I should simply band up with my neighbors to build a militia rather than relying on the police or the military huh? And the FDA isn't a good idea, clearly I should simply test all food and drugs for safety on my own. God you are clueless. Please tell me somebody doesn't actually pay you to do anything.

rr666 sums it up perfectly. I agree that we can't force people to not drive SUVs. I just want to see them taxes appropriately and forced to comply with reasonable standards like cars do. The loopholes are bullshit.

What happened to the indians happened a long while ago. It was a travesty. So was slavery. I suppose you are going to argue that the people of this country (and thus the government that represents them) hasn't changed in the past 200 years? Keep trying, it's funny.

Nelson has it written up in selected climbs II. He called it the cauthorn/wilson route. Looks neat, tho from the pics I've seen of it, it's never looked like WI5 to me. More like easy 4, but pics can be very decieving, so i'd love to hear from anybody that's done the route. I'm very interested in it. I know jens and loren went up to the base of it last year but turned around do to death cornices and wet ice and the like.

Their vehicles fit in several loopholes. They have to meet less stringent fuel economy requirements, emmisions standards, crash standards, safety standards, etc. etc. etc. Do some research. As for your second comment, I disagree. Taxing shit like this to help the general public I am all for. I'd love to see a $1 a gallon gas tax to *really* get people in alternative energy vehicles. I belivee we need to make some sacrifices to help this planet which we have already shit on, and unfortunately most people out there are too selfish to do this on their own. I am all for having the government "persuade" them to. YOU FIRST...how about you give away everything you own quit your job and go live on the street. when are you going to learn that the government progrmas that are out there DON"T WORK, not well at any rate. the more we "trust" the government to take carew of us and the business of living and beeing the less personal power we have. Look at it from this prespective... how did the governmenbt do in "taking care" of the indians? do you realy want those same ideas and practices perpitrated all over our society? You want less government, Muffy? Go move somewhere in Africa. It's every man and woman for themselves there.

because all of your energy is focused on what OTHERS are doing Yes, I would like to see this world improved for EVERYBODY, not just me. That means no saddam hussein, no george bush, and less use of fossil fuels and tearing down of rain forests? What the fuck is your point? Are you advocating we all just live according to our best interests and fuck everybody else? Whatever, muffy.

Their vehicles fit in several loopholes. They have to meet less stringent fuel economy requirements, emmisions standards, crash standards, safety standards, etc. etc. etc. Do some research. As for your second comment, I disagree. Taxing shit like this to help the general public I am all for. I'd love to see a $1 a gallon gas tax to *really* get people in alternative energy vehicles. I belivee we need to make some sacrifices to help this planet which we have already shit on, and unfortunately most people out there are too selfish to do this on their own. I am all for having the government "persuade" them to.

In your specific case, no, because I could really care less about 4 runners and stuff. They have existed for a while. Teh pandemic of the suburban/yukon/edpidition that exploded in the late 90s is the real problem. To answe the more general question, yes, I would be stereotyping, and considering it is correct 90% of the time, I would just have to live with the fact that I am wrong the other 10% of the time. Those out there like you will know who they are, and realize the message isn't too them. It's the rest of the people trying to keep up with the jones that I would like to see get a clue.

Huh!? How the hell did I prove your point?

Rob, I don't think anybody would have a problem with your ownership of said vehicle for it's purposes. To add new life to this already god-awful thread, I pose this question. If SUVs were taxed more according to their above normal usage of fuel, road wear and danger to other vechiles, thus making the cost of ownership more in line with the cost to society as a whole, would SUV owners object? Yes, this would mean more cost to people who actually use them, but it would hopefully discourage joe and jan suburbia from community around in a tank. Thoughts?

Muffy, your point might hold water if it weren't for the fact that this war was prosecuted for the self-serving reasons of our president and his chronies. If you are dumb enough to think it's for the betterment of the iraqi people, I have some waterfront in arizona I'd set you up with for a reasonable price. In fact, interestingly enough, the same people who push SUVs (the auto industry) are lining the pockets of the republican party just as is the pro-war oil industry. Feel free to look up campaign contrubitions or do a little research on the matter.

Oh, beleive me, I'd LOVE a big fat gas tax. That might discourage a bunch of the people we are talking about over on the "SUVs suck" thread. So following your logic, why don't you send a few bucks to gary locke every time you fill up your car and ask him to add that to the transportation fund? Your logic flawed, mtngoat.

I rap with by simply running the rope around my dick a few times. The faster I the rope goes, the larger it gets, thus nicely limiting overall rap speed. Works great, you should try it.

Yeah, he was going to haul a bunch of crap up to his cabin in his suit. I'm going on numbers, the chance is pretty fucking high that he was a wanker who just uses his suburban for community. I'll assume this until proven wrong. Free country, right?

How is my $800 alone going to change a thing? The point is the joint funds of the many benifit the many, both directly and indirectly. What do you think they'd do if I just up and sent $800 to the WSDOT? They'd sent it back, in all reality, but more to the point, the base road construction projects, etc. on taxes, not on donations from individuals.

If everybody who used their SUVs simply for commuting and going to get groceries moved into cars, the number of SUVs on the roads would drop about 98%. I think all of us SUV haters would be damn happy about that and wouldn't give a shit about the remaining 2% that actually get used by their owners.

Hey, anybody wanna do some climbing up there? We can take some dynamite and blow a few slides across the road to prevent anybody else from getting on our routes.

Silence goat! You're acting like the Iraqi Information Minister on this one...

Commuting across 520 solo in a suburban is stupid. period. end of story.

It's why we have a government. Before we even begin to start arguing, let's just try to avoid it in the first place. I'm liberal, I believe in paying more taxes to fund a society with more social services and programs. I don't believe in the "everybody for himself and their needs" mentality. You seem to lean the other way, thinking we'd be better off if the government disappeared and we all looked out for our own. How about we just agree to disagree because I've experienced these conversations never go anywhere useful. P.S. Tim Eyman is a fucking hypocritical jackass. He can go fuck himself as far as I'm concerned.

BTW, what's the record for the longest thread in cc.com history?

LOL. Sorry, bronco, you're right, a lighter moment is needed. Fighting shouldn't be a forte anybody is particularly proud of, I just assumed you were taking the tough-guy-over-internet role that most do. As for your wife trying to beat my ass, I won't lie, I'd hop back in the car and run. I'm not going to fight with a lady and even if I did think that was ok I'm not sure I'd *want* to mess with any lady ready to start a fight.